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Tempest reborn ?

Old 10th Sep 2019, 14:30
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Tempest reborn ?

It is reported that Italy will join a consortium headed by Britain to build a new advanced fighter. Named the Tempest, the aircraft will feature stealth technology, [email protected] weapons and drone wingmen. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2035. Those collaborating are BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, MBDA and Leonardo.

Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 16:21
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Ahem...

UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'

From March, this year...

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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
It is reported that Italy will join a consortium headed by Britain to build a new advanced fighter. Named the Tempest, the aircraft will feature stealth technology, [email protected] weapons and drone wingmen. The aircraft is expected to fly in 2035. Those collaborating are BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, MBDA and Leonardo.

Source: Business section of the D. Tel. 10th inst.
From another thread - will it be the Tempest II?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 17:49
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Ahem ! Italy is the news.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
Ahem ! Italy is the news.
Italy doing military aviation business with a third country ?
Not sure the US would allow that...
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What on earth has it to do with the US?

Ever heard of Tornado, AMX, Typhoon, NH90 etc etc etc...
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What on earth has it to do with the US?

Ever heard of Tornado, AMX, Typhoon, NH90 etc etc etc...
Those aircraft were developed in the EU, the Tornado project being launched while the UK was applying for accession.
When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue.
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Those aircraft were developed in the EU, the Tornado project being launched while the UK was applying for accession.
When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue.
What a load of guff. Are you suggesting the likes of BAE won't be able to work with European companies?? That'll screw the Gripen programme, not to mention Typhoon etc etc. Also, what of the F35? Plenty of European workshare in that.
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What a load of guff.
Thanks for that sir.
I'm suggesting getting out of the EU might change lots of things for the UK, but if your expertise makes you think otherwise, you are most welcome, my friend.

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getting out of the EU might change lots of things for the UK
I don't doubt it. Have to say I've never heard this angle though.
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Those aircraft were developed in the EU, the Tornado project being launched while the UK was applying for accession.
When - and if - Britain leaves the EU, not sure the US will be pleased to see cooperation with some EU country continue.
No, those aircraft were all developed long before the EU became an entity.
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problem is market - Uk will buy ?120? italy ?120?

Not many to go for a zillion dollar development programme
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
No, those aircraft were all developed long before the EU became an entity.
If it pleases you to say that European Communities and the EU are not the same entity because the name evolved and there was a new treaty in 1993, by all means, be my guest ;-)
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It’s in competition with the proposed Franco-German fighter. The problem with that consortium for other nations is that after French and German industries take airframe, engine, radar, software etc there is little they will be able to get in the way of work if they join.

Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. I’m assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese.

As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc.
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who will also have the option of buying the French/German 'plane

The Germans are rubbish at selling but the French??? they'll run rings around the It-UK as they always do
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🇫🇷 will run rings around 🇬🇧 🇮🇹? Remind me how many overseas sales there are for Rafale and Typhoon respectively?

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Itís in competition with the proposed Franco-German fighter. The problem with that consortium for other nations is that after French and German industries take airframe, engine, radar, software etc there is little they will be able to get in the way of work if they join.

Team Tempest involves BAe and RR, but also Saab and Leonardo. Iím assuming Saab will get a large share of airframe work and Leonardo will lead on radar and other sensors, MBDA on weapons etc. Plenty of other workshare available, and it might even get a buy in from the Japanese.

As far as sales go, assuming care is taken over ITAR, there are plenty of potential customers in the ME and Far East etc.
Sweden have not yet joined Tempest in the sense you suggest. They are cooperating with the UK on developing the technologies of the Combat Air Strategy with a view to future Gripen upgrades. Government will receive report in Autumn 2020 and then decide if joining Tempest Project or not.
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