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Tornado GR4 last flight

Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:09
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Tornado has landed from her last operational sortie... I for one will miss the old girl very much - she kept my ass safe for over 200 green logbook entries.

What a jet, and what a fine contribution it made to the Royal Air Force
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:38
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Originally Posted by frodo_monkey View Post
Tornado has landed from her last operational sortie... I for one will miss the old girl very much - she kept my ass safe for over 200 green logbook entries.

What a jet, and what a fine contribution it made to the Royal Air Force
Slightly different to what is reported in Flight Global.

It reports that 8 of the remaining 22 Tornado GR4 are still on operations from Cyprus and those operations will cease at the end of February when the jets will return to Marham.

Whichever, you are absolutely right about how significant this remarkable fast jet has been to the RAF - for nearly 40 of its 100 year history.

The good news is that there will still be over 250 Tornado in service with German, Italy and Saudi Arabia for at least till 2025.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 16:46
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Itís definitely done itís last trip in Shader; that was direct from the crew! Jets come home next week then flypasts and drinking until OSD.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by frodo_monkey View Post
Itís definitely done itís last trip in Shader; that was direct from the crew! Jets come home next week then flypasts and drinking until OSD.
What he said!
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 12:55
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Originally Posted by frodo_monkey View Post
Itís definitely done itís last trip in Shader; that was direct from the crew! Jets come home next week then flypasts and drinking until OSD.
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Appreciate that.
Please don't think that I was doubting you word.
I was simply commenting on the slightly different report from flight global.

Typhoon has some incredibly large shoes to fill but whether it will be as busy in the years to come remains to be seen.

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Old 1st Feb 2019, 21:42
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Yep, I was talking to a GR4 pilot in December and he said January 31st was the last combat sortie...

Speculating here but I suspect additional Typhoons will be getting sent out to Cyprus so the tempo of operations isn't effected?
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At one time that was being mooted, to allow the tempo to be maintained. My understanding is that this is no longer the case, and the very unconfirmed rumour is that Trump's announcement of the US withdrawal is being used to justify a reduction in the UK's sorties.
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the very unconfirmed rumour is that Trump's announcement of the US withdrawal is being used to justify a reduction in the UK's sorties.
Interesting framing. As the stated aim of the operation is the defeat of ISIS, isn’t it likely that the reduction of the ‘Caliphate’ to an area smaller than a fast jet’s turn radius has rather more to do with it? Until GR4’s last sortie, the UK’s contribution was essentially unchanged from the days when it stretched from Raqqa to Baghdad. There’s only so many jets you can safely fit into one tiny patch of sky.

This negative framing feeds the toxic ‘use it or lose it’ philosophy that prevails in Whitehall, as if it’s somehow wrong to take assets off operations. The impact of operations on force generation is too easily dismissed, as I suspect the F35 force will soon find out. And that’s before considering (other) cases where the national interest would be better served by not deploying at all. There’s little enough space for politicians to take sensible decisions as it is, and it’s constrained even further when journalists use judgemental angles such as ‘because Trump..’.




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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 20:44
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
At one time that was being mooted, to allow the tempo to be maintained. My understanding is that this is no longer the case, and the very unconfirmed rumour is that Trump's announcement of the US withdrawal is being used to justify a reduction in the UK's sorties.
Do you work for CNN? MSNBC? ABC? Or some other news media network with an axe to grind against the President?

Just checking.....

"Because of Trump" is a lazy answer, especially when the UK Government have announced no such plans... neither have any such plans been leaked. It's not surprising why there's so much distrust in the mainstream media.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 14:42
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I'm not endorsing that view, merely reporting it. I do not work for any of the listed media organisations, and I have no particular 'axe to grind' against the President, though it does sadden me that a great, liberal nation that I have admired my whole life should now find itself being led by such a deeply unimpressive and unlikeable buffoon.

The Daily Mail (a news source that I do not endorse nor necessarily believe) reported that the withdrawal of Tornado from Shader was down to Trump's decision

See: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raq-Syria.html

That's plainly wrong - the withdrawal of Tornado and the Tornado OSD was set months, if not years ago.

It was subsequently reported that the decision not to 'beef up' the Typhoon det was down to the same thing.

I believe that not to be the case, though my understanding, after talking to senior officers at Marham on 10 January at the F-35 IOC declaration media bunfight, is that the Typhoon det will not be increased in size. This did not seem to be a big secret, nor was it viewed as being in any way contentious.

Indeed Easy Street's analysis seems to me to be on the button. The tempo of operations has reduced, as has the area held by Daesh, and it would not seem necessary for the RAF to maintain the tempo of operations that it has been sustaining.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 19:46
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Have you been talking to DCOM OPS, Easy Street? Air Marshal Atha said much the same thing today!

Warmest congratulations to Chris S on receiving his 6,000 hours badge today.

6,000 hours. In the back of a Tornado.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
I'm not endorsing that view, merely reporting it. I do not work for any of the listed media organisations, and I have no particular 'axe to grind' against the President, though it does sadden me that a great, liberal nation that I have admired my whole life should now find itself being led by such a deeply unimpressive and unlikeable buffoon.

The Daily Mail (a news source that I do not endorse nor necessarily believe) reported that the withdrawal of Tornado from Shader was down to Trump's decision

See: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raq-Syria.html

That's plainly wrong - the withdrawal of Tornado and the Tornado OSD was set months, if not years ago.

It was subsequently reported that the decision not to 'beef up' the Typhoon det was down to the same thing.

I believe that not to be the case, though my understanding, after talking to senior officers at Marham on 10 January at the F-35 IOC declaration media bunfight, is that the Typhoon det will not be increased in size. This did not seem to be a big secret, nor was it viewed as being in any way contentious.

Indeed Easy Street's analysis seems to me to be on the button. The tempo of operations has reduced, as has the area held by Daesh, and it would not seem necessary for the RAF to maintain the tempo of operations that it has been sustaining.

I think your axe to grind against the President is very clear. Claiming that you have no particular axe to grind against the President, but then following up with, "though it does sadden me that a great, liberal nation that I have admired my whole life should now find itself being led by such a deeply unimpressive and unlikeable buffoon" is contradictory to say the least!
To be perfectly clear, I don't have a problem with it, just be honest about it. President Trump is a very controversial and divisive character, and even as a person with conservative political views, I don't necessarily agree with everything he says and does... but I will neither hide approval or disapproval of some of his words and actions.

As for the Daily Mail, that website is a pioneer in what is known as "Fake News."
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 23:10
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May I ask what usually happens to planes when they get retired now that, I presume, none are needed for operational spares etc? Are any other nations still using them? Can they be sold on? Genuine question from a civvy.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 23:12
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
May I ask what usually happens to planes when they get retired now that, I presume, none are needed for operational spares etc? Are any other nations still using them? Can they be sold on? Genuine question from a civvy.
The remaining in-service Tornado GR4's will be Reduced to Produce upon retirement at RAF Marham, meaning the airframes will be dismantled and any viable/working/relatively low hours parts will be stripped, refurbished and used on existing Tornado fleets in Saudi Arabia, Germany or Italy. Anything else will be scrapped. A few airframes are likely to be preserved as Gate Guardians at various RAF stations or displayed in museums, but not many.
Obviously anything that relates solely to the GR4 and is restricted/classified will be appropriately disposed of in the UK. I suspect most of the power plants will be refurbished and sent overseas to sustain other Tornado fleets.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 06:17
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ados-jf222x70q

Final flight home for crews on the retiring Tornados




The last of the RAFís Tornado warplanes arrived home from overseas operations yesterday, amid growing concern about the gap that will be left when they retire next month........

Friends and family greeted the squadron members who flew the final three Tornado jets back from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus to RAF Marham in Norfolk. Wing Commander James Heeps was given a box of Cadburyís Heroes by his son George, three. Air chiefs presented Flight Lieutenant Chris Stradling, a navigator, with a badge to mark his 6,000th Tornado flying hour ó an RAF record. The crew will retrain for other aircraft.....

It conducted its last strike as part of Operation Shader, the UKís contribution to the global fight against Isis, attacking terrorist enclaves near Abu Kamal in eastern Syria on January 26.......

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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
Warmest congratulations to Chris S on receiving his 6,000 hours badge today.

6,000 hours. In the back of a Tornado.
Really nice guy, remember him well from 17(F) at Bruggen.
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Originally Posted by BVRAAM View Post
I think your axe to grind against the President is very clear. Claiming that you have no particular axe to grind against the President, but then following up with, "though it does sadden me that a great, liberal nation that I have admired my whole life should now find itself being led by such a deeply unimpressive and unlikeable buffoon" is contradictory to say the least!
To be perfectly clear, I don't have a problem with it, just be honest about it. President Trump is a very controversial and divisive character, and even as a person with conservative political views, I don't necessarily agree with everything he says and does... but I will neither hide approval or disapproval of some of his words and actions.

As for the Daily Mail, that website is a pioneer in what is known as "Fake News."
I agree about the Daily Mail - it's a dreadful rag. As I said before, I merely reported what it reported, and expressed my belief that they 'got it wrong.'

I don't believe that the tangoed oaf's decision to withdraw US forces had anything to do with the British decision to withdraw Tornado, nor the decision not to boost or reinforce the number of Typhoons on Shader - but both of those claims have been made, and I passed them on, with a suitable caveat.

I don't have an axe to grind with your current president. I don't like him, I don't respect him, and I don't rate him, but I don't have any axe to grind. I watch with a mixture of horror and amusement as he demonstrates his unfitness to lead, and watch, 'popcorn in hand', waiting to see whether he escapes being impeached.

On this, as so often, Trump is an irrelevance.
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Originally Posted by BVRAAM View Post
The remaining in-service Tornado GR4's will be Reduced to Produce upon retirement at RAF Marham, meaning the airframes will be dismantled and any viable/working/relatively low hours parts will be stripped, refurbished and used on existing Tornado fleets in Saudi Arabia, Germany or Italy. Anything else will be scrapped. A few airframes are likely to be preserved as Gate Guardians at various RAF stations or displayed in museums, but not many.
Obviously anything that relates solely to the GR4 and is restricted/classified will be appropriately disposed of in the UK. I suspect most of the power plants will be refurbished and sent overseas to sustain other Tornado fleets.
One GR4 has already made its way to Hangar 4 at IWM Duxford, complementing their GR1 already resident in Airspace. They both have some nice associated kit with them including TIALD (From GW1 with resident 'Fat Slags' Artwork), JP233, AIM-9 and Brimstone as well as ECM/Chaff/Flare pods.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 08:03
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Thanks for the answers re post active service life.
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