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‘Fast jets’

Curious as to how this term came into use,I believe it’s only used in the UK to describe
fighter / strike aircraft


Most jets are reasonably fast so how did aircraft in this class end up with this description?
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Nice try, now go and have a lie down.
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I had a Belvedere unhelpfully refer to himself as a “twin turboprop” on the RT.

I guess he was also a slow-jet!
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Or ME when many FJ had two engines and RW also, but ME was neither FJ or RW.

In initial pilot training however the Jet Stream was ME in contrast to the Hawk which was FJ. On graduating your pilot was either FJ, ME, or RW trained.

In other words the origin was the training system and not the operational type.
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Or ME when many FJ had two engines and RW also, but ME was neither FJ or RW.

In initial pilot training however the Jet Stream was ME in contrast to the Hawk which was FJ. On graduating your pilot was either FJ, ME, or RW trained.

In other words the origin was the training system and not the operational type.

Understand,

Thanks for the informative reply, now it makes sense
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The Mk I Victor was certainly a "fast jet" once it got going, with many examples of it exceeding Mach one. However during its takeoff run and climb it was most definitely a "slow jet"!
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Originally Posted by stilton View Post

Most jets are reasonably fast so how did aircraft in this class end up with this description?
Er Jet Provost?
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
The Mk I Victor was certainly a "fast jet" once it got going, with many examples of it exceeding Mach one. However during its takeoff run and climb it was most definitely a "slow jet"!

I’m just finishing ‘Victor Boys’


I’m even more impressed with that amazing aircraft now, as you say it was very fast


Cruising at .85 initially at FL470 in the MK 2


Quite something and easily the best looking bomber until the B1 came along
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Quite something and easily the best looking bomber until the B1 came along

My vote would have to be for the Boeing B-47 when it comes to "beauty".


https://www.cloud9photography.us/Mil...ry/i-RVWBMXR/A
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Er Jet Provost?
Basic trainer that enabled FJ/ME streaming.

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If I recall BFT (or do I mean EFT?) was on the JP and were then streamed/chopped after aptitude was determined, going by the famous TV series of the early 80's of course (so I admit I could be wrong), Was the reason made to move away from the JP purely based upon age/maintainability of the a/c etc?
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
If I recall BFT (or do I mean EFT?) was on the JP and were then streamed/chopped after aptitude was determined, going by the famous TV series of the early 80's of course (so I admit I could be wrong), Was the reason made to move away from the JP purely based upon age/maintainability of the a/c etc?
Flash, your last privacy age.

Garbled

It should have been your last point - age and maintainability.

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I always thought that 'fast jet' was used for comms security. I remember when I was flying cross-country in UAS Chipmunks, we were told we must use the term 'single piston' when talking to ATC.

I bet that fooled the Russian 'trawlers'!
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Quite something and easily the best looking bomber until the B1 came along
Second that . Now those WERE the days of Great Britain; Handley Page, English Electric , Hawker , Avro , Vickers , Blackburn etc etc......

Oh well , must be time for another G & T .

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I42_ you were not alone. We were a 4-jet rather than a Vulcan. At the time the RAF had only 4 types of 4-Jet.
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Basic trainer that enabled FJ/ME streaming.
And rotary. I know; I went that route. (the cream always rises)
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so incidentally does poo
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
My vote would have to be for the Boeing B-47 when it comes to "beauty".


https://www.cloud9photography.us/Mil...ry/i-RVWBMXR/A

The B47 was a great looking aircraft, it’s cockpit canopy must surely be the largest
ever made !
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One of the very fast jets was the VC10!
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Originally Posted by sharpend View Post
One of the very fast jets was the VC10!
for an airliner...iirc the Vne (Vmo) was 315kts IAS and Mne M.94? So ‘very fast’ for an airliner but not quick enough to be a ‘fast jet’.
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