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Talk about waste.....

Old 9th Jul 2018, 10:57
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Originally Posted by Bing View Post
So ~26 SSNs, of which 1 has definitely fired on a ship, and at least 4 have fired TLAM at land targets. So about 20% have fired in anger. But of course firing in anger isn't the only thing they're designed to do, so it's hard to see what you're getting worked up about.
Quite agree - a lot of what they do that makes vital difference to UK and allied national security doesnt involve firing, but couldn't be done by anyone else.

I'd recommend a read of Lord Hennesseys book on the submarine service as a primer.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 11:23
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Originally Posted by Jimlad1 View Post
Quite agree - a lot of what they do that makes vital difference to UK and allied national security doesnt involve firing, but couldn't be done by anyone else.
I'm not criticising! I think retaining the institutional knowledge and expertise alone is well worth the money. I was just pointing out that it seems odd to get so worked up about Tornado engines.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 11:48
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Could we not have sold them to Germany/Italy/Saudi?
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 11:54
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Originally Posted by Lascaille View Post
I'm not criticising! I think retaining the institutional knowledge and expertise alone is well worth the money. I was just pointing out that it seems odd to get so worked up about Tornado engines.
I believe that the reason why this post has attracted sure a response is that no one likes to hear of such waste. In addition I believe that there is a genuine application for the fantastic service that Tornado has given to this country (and still will till next March).
It has become normal for the public to see and hear of it being deployed in the many and various conflicts it has been used in over the last 35+ years.
Whenever the RAF has been called into action Tornado has been the go to aircraft of choice.
It has been used in the front line for about 40% of the life of the RAF and while of course it is not the same as Spitfire Hurricane or Lancaster it has in fact been the most important jet aircraft in the RAF.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 13:15
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Why don't you put them in crates and ship them to Burma?
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 17:13
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Why don't you put them in crates and ship them to Burma?
I have no idea what you mean. Perhaps you have been out in the sun for too long.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 20:10
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Burma the elephants graveyard for old aircraft and engines.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 10:15
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
I have no idea what you mean. Perhaps you have been out in the sun for too long.
Talk about waste.....
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 10:56
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Red face

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Probably more to do with a bunch of people calling for Brexit, resulting in trashed forward GDP predictions, trashed exchange rate, reduced departmental budgets and the resultant reduction in capability.
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And you have the brass neck to call some other un-named types swivel-eyed.

Was such a spittle-flecked outburst really necessary, especially when it has less than two fifths of the square root of sweet FA to do with the original subject matter of the thread, which is how the system disposes of obsolete or near obsolete kit?

As another contributor has noted already, much as it should offend a lot of us, by the same token it does not surprise many of us. Its what happens when you have weak and ineffective leadership at senior political and military levels and a civil service staffing roles where the culture is to do the bare minimum possible in order to collect ones pension without getting fired first. Sadly, it is a culture that has been creeping endemically and exponentially across pretty much the entirety of public service since 1997.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 14:18
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What is the significance of 1997?
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 14:54
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1997? How about 1967, when we were closing RAF Stations immediately after major refurbishment of runways, infrastructure and MQs? It was always a bad sign when such work was started.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 15:43
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No, definitely in UK. I think it was in Derbyshire, not far from the factory..
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 15:49
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A friend in low places tells me the MoD is disposing of new, crated, Tornado engines; tipping them into skips and paying for their disposal rather than receiving payment for the high grade recyclable metals used in their construction - I bet they'd 'sell' their old mobile telephones though!

Thus far, 30+ engines have been disposed of with a unit value of between £5-7 million!

The Tornados replacement, the F35s, have been flown once, in the hover - to satisfy the Brass no doubt - but are uncertain of their participation in the 100 Flypast on the 10th.

They've stripped out all the avionics from the F35s, binned them and are busy around the clock refitting them with new avionics in makeshift tents (hangars not yet finished) - what??

So where are the heads on a plate?

We don't need more taxes - just people in charge who know what they're doing!
If true thats terrible-not least as I know some chaps at a well known proving ground desperate for an RB199 (or two ideally) as they have a rather nice GR1 they'd like to get back in taxying condition...
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 18:29
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Originally Posted by paco View Post
The Tornados replacement, the F35s, have been flown once, in the hover - to satisfy the Brass no doubt - but are uncertain of their participation in the 100 Flypast on the 10th.

They've stripped out all the avionics from the F35s, binned them and are busy around the clock refitting them with new avionics in makeshift tents (hangars not yet finished) - what??
Good job they got those pesky avionics crammed back in on time!



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