Helicopter crash - Lively Island (FI, 1982)
Thirteen miles also agrees with the point given in Choiseul Sound where the aircraft is said to have gone down. Without identifiable wreckage any assumptions are pointless. Don your scuba gear and start diving.
I researched the location of my brothers death in a fire fight in Vietnam. The after action report gave one location and the regimental daily diary gave another, about one kilometre apart. I can well imagine the difficulty a patrol might have in navigating on foot in thick jungle, so perhaps the after action report made by the patrol leader is in error, Who knows. Media report gave the event happening 160 kilometres distant. Talking to the other participants they described the physical environment perfectly, six foot diameter tree and prominent track alignment, the only trouble being when we visited the site the thick tropical jungle that had been in existence at the time had been cleared and was now grassland. So the exact site will never be known.
Impressive snap.
Captain Pablo Carballo, in the left plane, and Lieutenant Carlos Rinke, right, skimmed just a few feet above the water to avoid radar detection. Both pilots survived because the Sea Wolf missile system on HMS Broadsword was unable to choose between their A-4s when they became visible on the radar.The aircrafts released one bomb each. One missed the target, while the other one hit the Broadsword, in spite of the intense anti-aircraft fire.
I researched the location of my brothers death in a fire fight in Vietnam. The after action report gave one location and the regimental daily diary gave another, about one kilometre apart. I can well imagine the difficulty a patrol might have in navigating on foot in thick jungle, so perhaps the after action report made by the patrol leader is in error, Who knows. Media report gave the event happening 160 kilometres distant. Talking to the other participants they described the physical environment perfectly, six foot diameter tree and prominent track alignment, the only trouble being when we visited the site the thick tropical jungle that had been in existence at the time had been cleared and was now grassland. So the exact site will never be known.
Impressive snap.
Captain Pablo Carballo, in the left plane, and Lieutenant Carlos Rinke, right, skimmed just a few feet above the water to avoid radar detection. Both pilots survived because the Sea Wolf missile system on HMS Broadsword was unable to choose between their A-4s when they became visible on the radar.The aircrafts released one bomb each. One missed the target, while the other one hit the Broadsword, in spite of the intense anti-aircraft fire.
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Could it have been a misidentification of undercarriage?
See following post from 2009 on Keymags.
https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...64#post1356464
Could the undercarriage have been the nosewheel of Canberra B-108 that was misidentified as being from a Puma? (Double wheels)
See following post from 2009 on Keymags.
https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...64#post1356464
Could the undercarriage have been the nosewheel of Canberra B-108 that was misidentified as being from a Puma? (Double wheels)
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I went to the Falklands for the first time in December 1993 as a member of a Sea King SAR crew. The crew had an interest in 'aircraft wreck tourism' and sought out as many wreck sites as we could - we were guided by the book "Air War South Atlantic" by Ethell and Price. We looked many times for any evidence of the Puma over Lively Island (which if memory serves me correctly was apparently shot down over Choiseul Sound) but never found anything. It was the only one we looked for which we never found.
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I went to the Falklands for the first time in December 1993 as a member of a Sea King SAR crew. The crew had an interest in 'aircraft wreck tourism' and sought out as many wreck sites as we could - we were guided by the book "Air War South Atlantic" by Ethell and Price. We looked many times for any evidence of the Puma over Lively Island (which if memory serves me correctly was apparently shot down over Choiseul Sound) but never found anything. It was the only one we looked for which we never found.
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https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/201...on-de-rescate/
The investigation in the local news (the top ranked and most viewed online newspaper in Argentina)
A pic of the handsome looking Marcantilan is in the middle of the article.
Regards!
The investigation in the local news (the top ranked and most viewed online newspaper in Argentina)
A pic of the handsome looking Marcantilan is in the middle of the article.
Regards!
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Marcantilian,
Would you like to quantify the following statement from your article and supply proof?
Would you like to quantify the following statement from your article and supply proof?
Ya en las balsas, los aviones no tuvieron ningún reparo, en su última pasada, en disparar sobre las balsas.
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Oh no, it is not my article. I am just mentioned on it. Regarding the rafts, I am with Dave Morgan's versión (Hostile Skies).
UPDATE: The author of the article (again, is not my article) is going to remove the part about the raft attack by British palnes.
Regards,
UPDATE: The author of the article (again, is not my article) is going to remove the part about the raft attack by British palnes.
Regards,
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Hi Marcantilan,
Thanks for the update.
It doesn't do anyone any favours from either side when baseless stuff like that is written.
Apart from that, the rest of the article is quite interesting.
WT.
Thanks for the update.
It doesn't do anyone any favours from either side when baseless stuff like that is written.
Apart from that, the rest of the article is quite interesting.
WT.
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Off any beaten track or road, VERY carefully everywhere you tread...
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I have been researching the Canberra B-108 shoot down for over 10 years, and sometimes come across references to the nose wheel on Lively as possibly being from it. It seems that the Canberra crashed somewhere south of Whale Point and north of Lively Island, because some wreckage washed up at the former location over the years. Whether or not some ended up on Lively Island seems unlikely to me. I spoke with a local whose Dad lived on Lively for many years after my trip down to the Falklands last October. He said there had been some aircraft wreckage there from the Dagger C-433 piloted by Jose Ardiles but knew nothing of any Puma or Canberra pieces.
I hope eventually both the fate of the AE-505 and B-108 wrecks can be resolved.
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talk to the locals - they know where any mines are
even only suspected areas are roped off and have warning signs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_m...lkland_Islands I don't think anyone has been hurt in many years........... 6 peopel were killed or injured demining straight after the war but only one minor injury in recent years (a Zimbabwean de-miner)
"Many of the Falkland Islanders opposed the demining operation. They stated that as the mine fields were clearly marked and there was little demand for the land it would be more cost effective and better for the environment for the mines to remain. There are fears that opening up mine fields to tourists and farmers will lead to habitat destruction."
talk to the locals - they know where any mines are
even only suspected areas are roped off and have warning signs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_m...lkland_Islands I don't think anyone has been hurt in many years........... 6 peopel were killed or injured demining straight after the war but only one minor injury in recent years (a Zimbabwean de-miner)
"Many of the Falkland Islanders opposed the demining operation. They stated that as the mine fields were clearly marked and there was little demand for the land it would be more cost effective and better for the environment for the mines to remain. There are fears that opening up mine fields to tourists and farmers will lead to habitat destruction."
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When I was back there this time last year, I was informed that the only minefields that were not now cleared were the ones around Stanley airfield. These were on/near the beaches and subject to shifting sands but are well marked.
Didn't spot a single three-legged sheep during my stay.
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Hi all, could you ask if anyone has a copy of Flypast Magazine, September 1983 issue?
I am looking for a certain article there (Falklands Archeology). It looks like it mentions the AE-505 crash site.
Thanks a lot!
Mariano
I am looking for a certain article there (Falklands Archeology). It looks like it mentions the AE-505 crash site.
Thanks a lot!
Mariano
Mariano,
I have PM'ed you with a possible source for a copy.
Thread drift but have you read Dr Jorge Boveda's book in the Latin America at War series on the Armada's Operations in the Falklands/Malvinas conflict. If so, do you recommend it?
I have PM'ed you with a possible source for a copy.
Thread drift but have you read Dr Jorge Boveda's book in the Latin America at War series on the Armada's Operations in the Falklands/Malvinas conflict. If so, do you recommend it?
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Thanks a lot!
About Jorge Boveda´s book, well, I know Jorge and I am the one who pointed Jorge to Helion. The book is good, focused in the Argentine Navy culture. It is a new approach to the conflict.
Best!
Mariano
About Jorge Boveda´s book, well, I know Jorge and I am the one who pointed Jorge to Helion. The book is good, focused in the Argentine Navy culture. It is a new approach to the conflict.
Best!
Mariano