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Helicopter crash - Lively Island (FI, 1982)

Old 5th Jun 2018, 22:09
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The encyclopaedic book* “Falklands The air war” by R Burden/M Draper/D Rough/C Smith records on page 65;- AE505 “ the destroyer brought the puma down from extreme range with a Sea Dart.”

The important information in this account is that an exterme range for Sea Dart was 35-40 miles, as opposed to the 13 miles mentioned above. I believe that a range of 35-40 miles could only have achieved, in a near costal location, if the engagement took place over Lively Island.

* This book was written before the publication of Coventry’s BOI and was based on numerous interviews with those who took part on both sides. Unsurprisingly it’s accounts correlate well with subsequently published information.

Also remember that a number of those on HMS Coventry who actually witnessed this action on their radar screen, sadly didn’t survive the conflict.

So where have the various conflicting accounts originated from?
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Bagheera S View Post
The encyclopaedic book* “Falklands The air war” by R Burden/M Draper/D Rough/C Smith records on page 65;- AE505 “ the destroyer brought the puma down from extreme range with a Sea Dart.”

The important information in this account is that an exterme range for Sea Dart was 35-40 miles, as opposed to the 13 miles mentioned above. I believe that a range of 35-40 miles could only have achieved, in a near costal location, if the engagement took place over Lively Island.

* This book was written before the publication of Coventry’s BOI and was based on numerous interviews with those who took part on both sides. Unsurprisingly it’s accounts correlate well with subsequently published information.

Also remember that a number of those on HMS Coventry who actually witnessed this action on their radar screen, sadly didn’t survive the conflict.

So where have the various conflicting accounts originated from?
Hello,

According to Coventry´s report of the time, the engagement was also at a range of 13 nm.


(DEFE 67-126)

If I recall correct, Woodward´s book mentions the same distance.

13 nm is the correct range, if the helo was engaged over Port Pleasant AND north of Lively:



Thoughts?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 01:13
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Thirteen miles also agrees with the point given in Choiseul Sound where the aircraft is said to have gone down. Without identifiable wreckage any assumptions are pointless. Don your scuba gear and start diving.

I researched the location of my brothers death in a fire fight in Vietnam. The after action report gave one location and the regimental daily diary gave another, about one kilometre apart. I can well imagine the difficulty a patrol might have in navigating on foot in thick jungle, so perhaps the after action report made by the patrol leader is in error, Who knows. Media report gave the event happening 160 kilometres distant. Talking to the other participants they described the physical environment perfectly, six foot diameter tree and prominent track alignment, the only trouble being when we visited the site the thick tropical jungle that had been in existence at the time had been cleared and was now grassland. So the exact site will never be known.

Impressive snap.




Captain Pablo Carballo, in the left plane, and Lieutenant Carlos Rinke, right, skimmed just a few feet above the water to avoid radar detection. Both pilots survived because the Sea Wolf missile system on HMS Broadsword was unable to choose between their A-4s when they became visible on the radar.The aircrafts released one bomb each. One missed the target, while the other one hit the Broadsword, in spite of the intense anti-aircraft fire.

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Old 13th Jun 2018, 15:41
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
Could it have been a misidentification of undercarriage?

See following post from 2009 on Keymags.



https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...64#post1356464

Could the undercarriage have been the nosewheel of Canberra B-108 that was misidentified as being from a Puma? (Double wheels)
Update. I´ve been in contact with Ken and no Canberra parts weres on Lively Island. The mistery remaims...
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I went to the Falklands for the first time in December 1993 as a member of a Sea King SAR crew. The crew had an interest in 'aircraft wreck tourism' and sought out as many wreck sites as we could - we were guided by the book "Air War South Atlantic" by Ethell and Price. We looked many times for any evidence of the Puma over Lively Island (which if memory serves me correctly was apparently shot down over Choiseul Sound) but never found anything. It was the only one we looked for which we never found.
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Originally Posted by sargs View Post
I went to the Falklands for the first time in December 1993 as a member of a Sea King SAR crew. The crew had an interest in 'aircraft wreck tourism' and sought out as many wreck sites as we could - we were guided by the book "Air War South Atlantic" by Ethell and Price. We looked many times for any evidence of the Puma over Lively Island (which if memory serves me correctly was apparently shot down over Choiseul Sound) but never found anything. It was the only one we looked for which we never found.
Excellent info! Thanks a lot!
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Originally Posted by Marcantilan View Post
Excellent info! Thanks a lot!
hope to be there later this year... if poss we'll look around
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 19:47
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https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/201...on-de-rescate/

The investigation in the local news (the top ranked and most viewed online newspaper in Argentina)

A pic of the handsome looking Marcantilan is in the middle of the article.

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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 16:49
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Marcantilian,

Would you like to quantify the following statement from your article and supply proof?

Ya en las balsas, los aviones no tuvieron ningún reparo, en su última pasada, en disparar sobre las balsas.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 17:33
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Oh no, it is not my article. I am just mentioned on it. Regarding the rafts, I am with Dave Morgan's versión (Hostile Skies).

UPDATE: The author of the article (again, is not my article) is going to remove the part about the raft attack by British palnes.

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Old 24th Oct 2018, 02:26
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Hi Marcantilan,

Thanks for the update.

It doesn't do anyone any favours from either side when baseless stuff like that is written.
Apart from that, the rest of the article is quite interesting.

WT.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:21
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I'm going to the Falklands in February with my hiking gear. Where should I look?
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Navaleye,

Off any beaten track or road, VERY carefully everywhere you tread...
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