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Fancy rejoining....

Old 5th Feb 2018, 00:06
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I had a reserve role for 9 years after retiring from regular service. The essential difference was control of my programme. I had a forward plan of events. I would then add my own plans to the calendar. Barring emergencies my diary was fixed. Control of ones own activities is an essential for a work/life balance.
Which is exactly how I like to plan things out; I am still in the (Army) Reserves and it is only possible because I am able to fit in my activities with it around my job and family life. Also, I am in a National Unit and I am only obliged to do 19 days a year, although I do the 27 days that is expected in a Regional Unit/Headquarters. That said, it has to fit in with family life and, unfortunately, I have just applied for de-selection from a post as a GLO/SO2 Contingency Plans at Odiham with 18 & 27 Sqns. I am very disappointed by this but my son's education must come first.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 08:41
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Rigga, well said, glad someone else is also putting over the engineering side of things, I do wonder what rank one would have to hold in the RAF to be a C certing engineer to recommend a C of A renewal and issuance of an ARC without any physical input or inspection from anyone else... Wing Commander?

Similar what rank you would need to hold to write and approve a maintenance programme for an aircraft type with no input from anyone.


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Old 5th Feb 2018, 09:00
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Sadly I suspect the majority of takers will be those who for one reason or another either have failed to make a successful transition to civvy street, were over promoted in the service and can't regain the status they one had (and believe they deserve) or were in a non-transferable skills job in the RAF in the first place.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 09:29
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I remember the cull of the Chief Tech rank in the 70's and resulting exodus of those who were any good and knew they would make it on the outside leaving a lot of those that knew they wouldn't, one wonders if this was the case at the last culls and that is one of the reasons why this has come about.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 14:47
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The cull certainly did me a favour, Nutty. A wodge of money in the bank, a pension at 37 and a 20 year career in IT, from which I retired with another pension and money in the bank!
I can understand why the cull was necessary, on my Britannia shift at BZN in the AFE trade there were 3 C/techs, 4 Sgts, a corporal or two, 1J/T couple of SAC's..Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians was never truer.
It seems manpower planners never get it right.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 18:41
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On the VC10 line engine desk we had 1 Chief, 1 Sgt, 2 Corporals, 2 JT's, 3 SAC's and LAC's to look after 10 Tens....... Which is 50 engines plus the fuel systems.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 19:05
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Rigga, well said, glad someone else is also putting over the engineering side of things, I do wonder what rank one would have to hold in the RAF to be a C certing engineer to recommend a C of A renewal and issuance of an ARC without any physical input or inspection from anyone else... Wing Commander?

Similar what rank you would need to hold to write and approve a maintenance programme for an aircraft type with no input from anyone.


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A couple of years ago I was the Quality Manager (a title I still carry) for a large UK helicopter organisation and it was my job to manage and, in some cases, to do those ARCs (I volunteered to do the overseas ARCs and Physicals) plus carrying out the audit plan approving engineers and pilots, Agreeing and signing off the OPS manuals, Sim Manual, DOH, POE, MOE and Part 66 local training syllabus, monitoring welders and NDT, approving and auditing external suppliers, raising and completing occurrence reports, etc, etc.

I was also the SOLE signatory for Maintenance Extensions, One-Off Auths, MOR responses and the direct CAA contact for 9 design, flight and maintenance departments. All with a brilliant team of four+me.

Remind me...what does a Wing Commander do again?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 08:06
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Riggs, all of that of course





In his overseeing position

There was a Wg Cdr Eng at Coningsby, Matt Ferguson?, who had worked in Arabia and Antarctica, joined the RAF, got his wing and then retired on the grounds that the next tours would not be fun. I suspect he was a real engineer.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 12:25
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Pontius,

There was a chap in Spain, Ferdinand Magellan?, who worked in the East Indies, commanded five vessels and circumnavigated the globe before dying on the grounds that some Phillippeans put a spear into him.

I suspect he was a real navigator.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 22:07
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GT, I think Papa Dolmio was talking about the groundcrew 'returnees'.
While returning crew might dream of punching holes in the sky again and enjoying banter in the Mess - it is likely to be far less glamorous for returning JRs and NCOs who may end up manning the gates or handing out bedding....the jobs full-timers don't like.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 08:31
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Riggs indeed. More individual control which I enjoyed in my final years of regular service. Pinged for a secondary duty I asked for TORs, those things you only ever write up for a successor. These never materialised and eventually got a call from hand brake house. Told her my career aspiration was to retire in 12 months..

Do those on career trajectories actively seek demanding secondary duties?
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 10:52
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Secondary Duty career progression can help pad the old F1369, though.

Stn i/c Shooting
RAF Committee
Command Secretary
RAF Assistant Secretary
RAF Vice-Chairman
... and on retirement, RAF Secretary & Treasurer [paid!].

In total I spent 28 years on the Committee in one role or another, just one year less than my RAF service!
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 11:53
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Give the recruitment of returners to Capita under its current contract with the MoD (RPP) - they would do a cracking job
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 15:39
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My best achievement was Officer I/C Snooker at RAF Valley. I kid you not.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 15:45
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I was O/C Ten Pin Bowling at Odiham. I took the team in the back of a Puma for an away match.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 15:53
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I was O/C TTMC at Odiham
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 16:29
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Does anyone have any idea how negotiable the offer to rejoin is?

Is it a case, as I suspect, of the mil looking at your last service and offering (or not) a 'take it or leave it' package, or is there a negotiation to be had. Can an interested party 'barter' as one might in a 'real' contract negotiation ie. 'I would consider rejoining but I want such-and-such a rank, pay, posting etc'.

I assume the mil are reasonably desperate to actively go after ex- serving people...but how desperate?

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Old 7th Feb 2018, 21:11
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I would imagine they will use the old recruitment tactics, promise you the earth until they have your signature..... Ohhhhhh and look out for the shilling in the bottom of your glass.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 12:01
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EE, I know of a couple of barters. Think it only worked for one tour. Sqn ldr wanted Nimrod; system wanted an SO. He got one flying tour. Another Flt Lt wanted back to C130. He was refused an OCU but a mate agreed OJT and system allowed it on caveat pass or posting.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 13:48
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1980 I returned to the fold in April 80 and was posted to Binbrook in Oct as OC Accounts. I was met on arrival on the Sunday evening by Mike Craggs, my predecessor, to be told I was taking over the account on the Monday morning, then starting a summary of evidence on some guy who (allegedly) stole the CO's staff car to go and see his girlfriend, I was SDO the following weekend, oh, and O I/c Guard of Honour.. secondary duties - bah humbug

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