European Army
Ninthace,
Perhaps - but in terms of Europe there can be cooperation as to who has to do what - as I think the Germans are suggesting. I refer you back to the comment in a previous article ai posted..
As an example, there is concern over our lack of MBT, whilst Poland and others are buying over 1000s, and other armaments needed for a conventional European war.
There could be a quid pro quo where we concentrate on expeditionary air and naval forces, including providing a European nuclear deterrent.
To be frank, the few new MBT/Ajax and other armoured forces we are looking at purchasing are so small they’re irrelevant except in terms of a tripwire capability where we deploy them forward in Estonia etc - and lighter expeditionary units would serve the same purpose.
The days of BAOR, ot that we could deploy an armoured division as in Granby and Telic, are gone forever.
Perhaps - but in terms of Europe there can be cooperation as to who has to do what - as I think the Germans are suggesting. I refer you back to the comment in a previous article ai posted..
As an example, there is concern over our lack of MBT, whilst Poland and others are buying over 1000s, and other armaments needed for a conventional European war.
There could be a quid pro quo where we concentrate on expeditionary air and naval forces, including providing a European nuclear deterrent.
To be frank, the few new MBT/Ajax and other armoured forces we are looking at purchasing are so small they’re irrelevant except in terms of a tripwire capability where we deploy them forward in Estonia etc - and lighter expeditionary units would serve the same purpose.
The days of BAOR, ot that we could deploy an armoured division as in Granby and Telic, are gone forever.
What always seems to be overlooked in the debate is the simple fact that while Major Bufton-Tufton (rtd) continues to demand a British Army more akin to the days of BAOR, the boxheads are at 60000 soldiers. Broadly 20% less than the current planned British Army.
As the traditional maritime power in Europe, that's where we should be concentrating (and combat air) - as you suggest.
As the traditional maritime power in Europe, that's where we should be concentrating (and combat air) - as you suggest.
Ninthace,
Perhaps - but in terms of Europe there can be cooperation as to who has to do what - as I think the Germans are suggesting. I refer you back to the comment in a previous article ai posted..
As an example, there is concern over our lack of MBT, whilst Poland and others are buying over 1000s, and other armaments needed for a conventional European war.
There could be a quid pro quo where we concentrate on expeditionary air and naval forces, including providing a European nuclear deterrent.
To be frank, the few new MBT/Ajax and other armoured forces we are looking at purchasing are so small they’re irrelevant except in terms of a tripwire capability where we deploy them forward in Estonia etc - and lighter expeditionary units would serve the same purpose.
The days of BAOR, ot that we could deploy an armoured division as in Granby and Telic, are gone forever.
Perhaps - but in terms of Europe there can be cooperation as to who has to do what - as I think the Germans are suggesting. I refer you back to the comment in a previous article ai posted..
As an example, there is concern over our lack of MBT, whilst Poland and others are buying over 1000s, and other armaments needed for a conventional European war.
There could be a quid pro quo where we concentrate on expeditionary air and naval forces, including providing a European nuclear deterrent.
To be frank, the few new MBT/Ajax and other armoured forces we are looking at purchasing are so small they’re irrelevant except in terms of a tripwire capability where we deploy them forward in Estonia etc - and lighter expeditionary units would serve the same purpose.
The days of BAOR, ot that we could deploy an armoured division as in Granby and Telic, are gone forever.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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The original planned order was for over a thousand….
It was planned as the replacement for the CVR(T), of which the army purchased over 1800.
Its raison d’tre was recce in support of armoured forces - which no longer exist…
As for Boxer, that’s the Warrior replacement - and not enough of those either…
https://uklandpower.com/2023/09/05/c...ior-as-an-ifv/
It was planned as the replacement for the CVR(T), of which the army purchased over 1800.
Its raison d’tre was recce in support of armoured forces - which no longer exist…
As for Boxer, that’s the Warrior replacement - and not enough of those either…
https://uklandpower.com/2023/09/05/c...ior-as-an-ifv/
Last edited by ORAC; 26th Jan 2024 at 13:22.
Thirty years ago the great Independent European Security Identity initiative was all the rage.
The 'United States of Europe' was being sold as a counter balance to American power.
At that point, the 800 pound gorilla in Asia had not yet climbed atop the world economic ladder, although that was a work in progress.
What actually happened was that, in Europe, butter was chosen, and guns cut up for scrap.
Granted, in the 00's numerous allies were in Task in Iraq and Afghanistan, which experiences may have had, in the long term, negative impacts on defense spending's popularity. Not sure, I am guessing a bit on that last thought.
The 'United States of Europe' was being sold as a counter balance to American power.
At that point, the 800 pound gorilla in Asia had not yet climbed atop the world economic ladder, although that was a work in progress.
What actually happened was that, in Europe, butter was chosen, and guns cut up for scrap.
Granted, in the 00's numerous allies were in Task in Iraq and Afghanistan, which experiences may have had, in the long term, negative impacts on defense spending's popularity. Not sure, I am guessing a bit on that last thought.
