Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

End of the 1%ers?

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

End of the 1%ers?

Old 10th Sep 2017, 20:19
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,785
End of the 1%ers?

BBC Reporting that the 1% cap is about to be breached!

OAP
Onceapilot is offline  
Old 10th Sep 2017, 20:29
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Near the coast
Posts: 1,670
For the police, nurses, prison officers...

No mention of the military yet. I'm sure they're just saving the best for last.

BV
Bob Viking is online now  
Old 10th Sep 2017, 21:36
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Closer than you think...
Age: 60
Posts: 384
And the strikes will start with a vengeance when the 1% cap is dropped.

Question is, will we notice if DIO go on strike?
Always a Sapper is offline  
Old 10th Sep 2017, 23:12
  #4 (permalink)  

Purveyor of Egg Liqueur to Lucifer
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Alles über die platz
Posts: 4,617
Here's me thinking this thread was going to be about biker gangs
SilsoeSid is offline  
Old 10th Sep 2017, 23:54
  #5 (permalink)  

Nigerian In Law
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Haven't been there, never done that.
Age: 61
Posts: 999
Originally Posted by SilsoeSid View Post
Here's me thinking this thread was going to be about biker gangs
Are they getting a pay rise too ?

NEO
Nigerian Expat Outlaw is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 07:53
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: where-ever nav's chooses....
Posts: 651
I would presume that the cap will be lifted, but no new money: want a pay rise, either find the money in your current budget or cut even harder to fund it.
alfred_the_great is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 08:12
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 785
Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
For the police, nurses, prison officers...

No mention of the military yet. I'm sure they're just saving the best for last.

BV
The puke-inducing self-opinion that the RAF is better than everyone else and sense of self-entitlement is just amazing.

Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
gijoe is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 08:38
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Near the coast
Posts: 1,670
gijoe.

The fact you got what you said from what I said speaks volumes about your own sense of self worth.

Where did I say the military (I did not specify RAF) are more deserving than the others?

Probably time for your second cup of coffee I'd say.

BV
Bob Viking is online now  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 08:51
  #9 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,785
Originally Posted by alfred_the_great View Post
I would presume that the cap will be lifted, but no new money: want a pay rise, either find the money in your current budget or cut even harder to fund it.
Well Great Alfred, You might be right! In the past, I was told by CAS that he "had a pot of money to spend and had to decide how much went on pay, how much on equipment etc" Methinks this was a somewhat simplistic statement!

OAP
Onceapilot is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 14:38
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Among these dark Satanic mills
Posts: 1,178
The puke-inducing self-opinion that the RAF is better than everyone else and sense of self-entitlement is just amazing.

Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
He's trolling Bob - isn't he?
TorqueOfTheDevil is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 18:18
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: God's Country
Posts: 115
Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
The puke-inducing self-opinion that the RAF is better than everyone else and sense of self-entitlement is just amazing.

Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
I am guessing you failed your entrance exam. Some do and then go on to join the Pioneers.

Don't worry.
The Nip is online now  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 21:02
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: waterskiing 2 miles behind the ac...
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
The puke-inducing self-opinion that the RAF is better than everyone else and sense of self-entitlement is just amazing.

Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
Ooooooooooooooooooh!

How right you are. I must admit, when I was getting rocketed by the Mahdi Army in Basra, I often lay on the ground thinking "mustn't grumble, at least I am not grappling with drunks in a town centre/A&E Dept!"
Training Risky is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 21:12
  #13 (permalink)  

"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: England
Age: 73
Posts: 3,032
Great! The troll has achieved his purpose. We now have the military at odds with the police and the NHS staff. Get a grip folks.
Herod is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 22:25
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: north of england
Age: 55
Posts: 294
Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
For the police, nurses, prison officers...

No mention of the military yet. I'm sure they're just saving the best for last.

BV
I'm retired emergency services (and a two times flop at OASC!)......but don't lump me in with Gijoe! Some years, we didn't even get 1%....we got 0%! Personally speaking, I begrudge the military nothing......good luck! It's the w*nkers in Whitehall I have a problem with! "We're all in it together" and what was that other beauty that was rolled out from time to time about the bond or contract between public and the military, or whatever it was.......now that crap really is "puke inducing"!
mopardave is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2017, 22:49
  #15 (permalink)  

Nigerian In Law
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Haven't been there, never done that.
Age: 61
Posts: 999
Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
Those above will have make more 'operational' decisions than you will do in a lifetime - 24/7/365 - and not from a p*ss-stained chair in the corner of some mess whilst trying to do the DT crossword.
Oh bu**er. I'm an ex Army pilot and I do the DT crossword (but not in too much of a mess or a p*ss stained chair). Now I've got no idea whether I'm a worthless s**t or a star. I also complete the crossword 7/365 but not 24.

Please help. Answers on a postcard etc.

NEO
Nigerian Expat Outlaw is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2017, 09:22
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: In a world of my own.
Posts: 337
Onceapilot

In the past, I was told by CAS that he "had a pot of money to spend and had to decide how much went on pay, how much on equipment etc"
I would be surprised if he had a pot to piss in these days!

Aaron.
AARON O'DICKYDIDO is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2017, 10:20
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SW England
Age: 73
Posts: 3,781
gijoe - you are Krystal and Chips and I claim my five pounds

(No offence K & C!)
Tankertrashnav is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2017, 11:02
  #18 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,785
August CPI inflation 2.9%. I predict September will be 3+%. OK for pensions but, poor for those on 1%.

OAP
Onceapilot is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2017, 13:55
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Darling - where are we?
Posts: 2,499
Originally Posted by alfred_the_great View Post
I would presume that the cap will be lifted, but no new money: want a pay rise, either find the money in your current budget or cut even harder to fund it.
Spot on, but that seems to be buried in the small print of today's announcement for Police and Prison Officers, as well as still being significantly lower than inflation. That hasn't stopped the Government putting a positive spin on things.

Also 'buried in the small print' was a statement carried by the BBC from Liz Truss that suggests public sector shouldn't get used to +1% rises:

Treasury minister Liz Truss said hard-working public sector workers deserved to be "fairly rewarded".

While pay discipline would need to continue for many years, she said, ministers would give special consideration in future awards to areas of the public sector where there were staff shortages
Taken at face value, that suggests to me that pay rises will be kept at 1% unless there is a compelling reason for short term increases above that level. If that happens it runs the risk of pay rises being used purely as a tool to aid recruiting & retention rather than in recognition of the knowledge, skills and demands of a job, and actually paves a way for pay freezes in times where numbers are deemed healthy or acceptable, or at best targeted at specific cohorts.

Call me a cynic for suggesting that, but you just know that some policy type in Whitehall is probably already doing the calculations on where to draw that line and how much they can save by doing it whilst simultaneously being able to claim support for the public sector. I don't see the unions buying into it, and I still think choppy waters lie ahead in coming months.

Last edited by Melchett01; 12th Sep 2017 at 14:16.
Melchett01 is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2017, 16:20
  #20 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,785
Well, having apparently decided that BREXIT "is worth it", I am a little surprised that the UK population are unprepared for the financial reality of our future.

OAP
Onceapilot is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.