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Nah, that would have brightened things up a bit. I believe he got off with it. Passage of time and rum has dulled the memory somewhat but I'm off to the National Archives next week so I'll have a look at the records.
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As a Master at Arms my father attended Court Martials on HMS Victory. He stood next to the accused holding a sword. As it was rather heavy he would jab it in to the beam above, as countless MAA's had done before him, to take the weight. Apparently the marks in the beam are still there.
Interesting to read the off thread discussion on Army warrant officer appointments/seniority. I often worked with the army and when discussing seniority I took the view that my RAF 'gallopers' are the same as Army gallopers, perhaps not so elaborate, but neither was senior to the other; appointment was an internal matter. There was never any argument and we always worked well together.
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I always thought that Sergeant (regardless how you spell it) was derived from the Greek "Slave".
Mind you, discussing the derivation with my immediate line manager on one posting did not go well, he concluded that if that was the case he would immediately put through the paperwork to get me acting-Sgt and treat me accordingly....
Mind you, discussing the derivation with my immediate line manager on one posting did not go well, he concluded that if that was the case he would immediately put through the paperwork to get me acting-Sgt and treat me accordingly....
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Cracking post - love the "Court Martial gun was fired".
Bit concerned about this though:
Is that more 'jack-speak' for 'hunting the golden rivet'?
Cracking post - love the "Court Martial gun was fired".
Bit concerned about this though:
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Norvision was the ship's (HMS Norfolk) small TV studio which we used sporadically for quizzes, competitions and such like entertainment over CCTV. No videos or DVDs then. I can't for the life of me remember it so I must have been on watch steering the bloody thing again. On the whole a very happy ship and a cracking deployment.
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I always thought that Sergeant (regardless how you spell it) was derived from the Greek "Slave".
Mind you, discussing the derivation with my immediate line manager on one posting did not go well, he concluded that if that was the case he would immediately put through the paperwork to get me acting-Sgt and treat me accordingly....
Mind you, discussing the derivation with my immediate line manager on one posting did not go well, he concluded that if that was the case he would immediately put through the paperwork to get me acting-Sgt and treat me accordingly....
Interesting to read the off thread discussion on Army warrant officer appointments/seniority. I often worked with the army and when discussing seniority I took the view that my RAF 'gallopers' are the same as Army gallopers, perhaps not so elaborate, but neither was senior to the other; appointment was an internal matter. There was never any argument and we always worked well together.
There is, I believe, a difference between seniority in the rank, and the seniority of the appointment.
Over many years there has been huffing and puffing among the army WO Is, but, unless there have been recent changes, the WO I precedence of appointment [as opposed to the date on the Warrant] was divided into 3 or 4 classes.
The top class comprised [with the usual caveats about amendments] ALPHABETICALLY ONLY Conductors, Garrison SMs, Master Gunners 1st Class. QRs and KRs spelled out that seniority among these equals was determined by date of warrant and not by appointment.
In reality, a Conductor carrying out his duties, or a garrison SM [or indeed an RAF SWO or a Ship's Master at Arms] would have absolute authority.
Nigerian In Law
Dead right, however the most senior WO1 by appointment always used to be the Academy Sergeant Major of Sandhurst. Not sure if this has been superceded by the fairly recent appointment of Sergeant Major of the Armed Forces ?
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Interesting for me, as a civilian, to read just how many offences occur.
I suppose many people see a Court(s) Martial as a irregular event, not everyday fare.
If the Report was untitled, some of the charges could read like a list of offences of prisoners in gaol, rather than officers and wo/men in the Armed Forces.
I suppose many people see a Court(s) Martial as a irregular event, not everyday fare.
If the Report was untitled, some of the charges could read like a list of offences of prisoners in gaol, rather than officers and wo/men in the Armed Forces.
Rank Group Appointment
Warrant Officer – class 1
(i) Conductor, RLC
Royal Artillery Sergeant Major
Academy sergeant major, RMAS
Garrison sergeant major London District
(ii) Master gunner, RA.
(iii) Garrison sergeant major (except London District).
(iv) Regimental corporal major
Regimental sergeant major.
Bandmaster
Staff sergeant major. RLC or AGC(SPS)
Sergeant major
Any other appointment on the establishment of a unit or corps carrying the rank of warrant officer, class 1, e.g. artificer sergeant major, superintending draughtsman.
a. Groupings. By custom, and for administrative purposes, appointments of warrant officers are listed in the groups shown in para 9.169. Notwithstanding seniority as laid down in para 9.164 a warrant officer may exercise authority over those of equal rank in other groups, when required to do so in the execution of the duties of his appointment.
MY NOTE: "in other groups" does not stop the pushing and shoving within a group
Last edited by langleybaston; 16th Aug 2017 at 15:20. Reason: addendum
Equivalent as the senior enlisted person of the Service to Chief of Air Staff's Warrant Officer, Warrant Officer of the Naval Service or Corps Sergeant Major in the Royal Marines
Of course your point makes me wonder who has seniority out of all of those to be senior NCO in the British Forces.......
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Before a Warrant Officer jumps into print, Warrant Officers as such are in no way NCOs in the British service of course.
From memory [I can provide collateral if needs be] there was a hoohah on the subject c. 1885 when a minor functionary made that mistake in print. It was sharply and officially corrected. Subsequent Queens and Kings have maintained that line in Regulations for the Army.
A partial cause of slight blurring might be that both WOs and SNCOs inhabit the same mess.
From memory [I can provide collateral if needs be] there was a hoohah on the subject c. 1885 when a minor functionary made that mistake in print. It was sharply and officially corrected. Subsequent Queens and Kings have maintained that line in Regulations for the Army.
A partial cause of slight blurring might be that both WOs and SNCOs inhabit the same mess.
Nigerian In Law
The most senior WO in the Forces should be the Warrant Officer of the Naval Service; that is after all the senior service isn't it ? Just putting two and two together.......
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