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German Tornado replacement

Old 26th Mar 2017, 19:55
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German Tornado replacement

Here is a link to a new aircraft the Germans intend to produce.

Germany looks to develop its own sixth generation stealth fighter jet | Defence Blog
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 20:01
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If the RAF buy into it then we'll need some extra WSO(Nav) FJ...



...if it is cheaper than F35 then it might make sense for Typhoon replacement.
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 20:11
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It looks spookily similar to REPLICA which was developed by BAESYSTEMS in the late 90s:











Oh, and BAE are working with Turkey to build 200+ LO strike aircraft...
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 20:27
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I first saw REPLICA when I visited the factory nearly 10 years ago. Even then it was old and now a cancelled project as F35 was the way ahead. I couldn't help thinking it was a TSR2 moment I was looking at...

Here she is being transported on her rig somewhere at Warton in 2014.

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Old 26th Mar 2017, 22:05
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Why was it cancelled?
I've Googled it - but can't see a reason suggested - just reference to cancellation of the FOAS.
Pressure from the US?
Rather than another TSR2 - another Miles M52 perhaps?
It is eerily similar to the YF-23.
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 22:30
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It was cancelled because they couldn't figure out how to turn it the right way up, apparently.
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 22:37
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Compare Replica with the MDD/BAE submission for the JSF program.

JSF.mil > Gallery

Replica is usually touted as BAE proving Britain could go it alone in developing a stealth fighter design, thus smoothing our entry into JSF as a full partner
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Old 26th Mar 2017, 22:42
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Davef68, that' the way I understand it as far as REPLICA goes.

Hmmmm ok, I wrote something else and decided to change my mind....

So this is the European follow on from Typhoon then...European customers that don't want to be tied to US policy and operating restrictions, and can't get the access we can on the F35, can join the inevitable pan european partnership for this design. I wonder where Dassault sit on this.

I'm going to guess it's going to need all those years in the expected IOC statement to get a design sorted and pushed through the system to actual hardware.

ETA: I think that's a really quite old concept...most armed forces have been happy that the workload can be carried by one person and modern mission systems for some time now.

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Old 27th Mar 2017, 00:00
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Will this be like most recent German military procurements? Over pledge of buys, to create a larger work share? Look at their Typhoon and A400 fleet status and life upgrades.

I think the U.K. Has had enough of this type of behaviour, hence our off the shelf purchases of air seeker, F35b, AH64e, there's also the Understanding with Japan.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 08:51
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Originally Posted by unmanned_droid View Post
I wonder where Dassault sit on this.
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Currently looking at UAS (or are they RPVs again? :-)) with BAES (son of FOAS) - which no doubt means working on that at the same time as developing a national solution for the inevitable fall out!
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 09:04
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UCAV seems more descriptive.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 11:37
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Odd that they've called it "Future Combat Air System", when there already is another FCAS...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ounced-422866/
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Volkswagen's aviation branch are designing the prototype - apparently the range on internals is amazing
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Volkswagen's aviation branch are designing the prototype - apparently the range on internals is amazing

And presumably there will be no problem for this jet meeting strict emissions standards
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 21:50
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Is it possible that REPLICA was just a way of investigating a particular technology issue which coincidentally looked interesting and impressed the colonials? I suppose that's not a good answer for a rumour network though...

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Old 27th Mar 2017, 22:12
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My thoughts exactly.
As a former colleague of mine put it "...that's a great idea; I'm going to go and tell my boss how clever I've been."
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 22:26
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Volkswagen's aviation branch are designing the prototype - apparently the range on internals is amazing
As long as the NAVAIDS are better than those in my car ... every time it gets confused it gives me a course straight for Wolfsburg regardless of where I actually want to go.
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there I was, upside down with nothing on the clock but the maker's name...
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I'm going to say, can it only fly upside down? Would this not be dangerous for the crew?

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Old 28th Mar 2017, 18:36
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I'm going to say, can it only fly upside down? Would this not be dangerous for the crew?
Unless they nicked some downward firing seats from an old F-104
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