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True, much about Fonda was not a hoax, but were "wannabe" stories.
HOWEVER!
Other stories about other incidents were very true. My sources are impeccable. The pow's told them to me personally. Our zoomie class had the most pow's of the USAFA bunch, and they are several of the main narrators and pow's that are prominately shown/heard in the "American Experience" didy "Return With Honor" done by Amercan PBS back in the 80's or early 90's.
see: Watch Return With Honor | American Experience | Official Site | PBS
One fellow I worked for at Air University was a 7 year man that was tortured and hung from the ceiling arms behind his back. After they cut him down, his hands were the size of grapefruits and ny classmate, who is heard on the video with that great, syrupy voice gad to wipe his butt for a few months. Another, who I was fairly close to was beaten so badly his head was mis-shapened. He made the mistake of telling a guard his mother died during a B-52 raid because he had not dug the bomb shelter close enough to their hootch! After the first rifle butt or two, he alledgedly told them 'you guys just don't have a sense of humor" !!! At Clark AFB first day out he's the guy that tells the story bout escaping and evading for abut 8 seconds in the village he came down in.
So not all the stories are accurate, but the ones I heard and repeat came from the principles themselves. Enuf, but I do not suffer at night because I had closure when I raised the gear of my A-7D at Korat in December 1975 leading the last flight of fighter-bombers of the whole damned war back to the states.
Gums says have a good night....
True, much about Fonda was not a hoax, but were "wannabe" stories.
HOWEVER!
Other stories about other incidents were very true. My sources are impeccable. The pow's told them to me personally. Our zoomie class had the most pow's of the USAFA bunch, and they are several of the main narrators and pow's that are prominately shown/heard in the "American Experience" didy "Return With Honor" done by Amercan PBS back in the 80's or early 90's.
see: Watch Return With Honor | American Experience | Official Site | PBS
One fellow I worked for at Air University was a 7 year man that was tortured and hung from the ceiling arms behind his back. After they cut him down, his hands were the size of grapefruits and ny classmate, who is heard on the video with that great, syrupy voice gad to wipe his butt for a few months. Another, who I was fairly close to was beaten so badly his head was mis-shapened. He made the mistake of telling a guard his mother died during a B-52 raid because he had not dug the bomb shelter close enough to their hootch! After the first rifle butt or two, he alledgedly told them 'you guys just don't have a sense of humor" !!! At Clark AFB first day out he's the guy that tells the story bout escaping and evading for abut 8 seconds in the village he came down in.
So not all the stories are accurate, but the ones I heard and repeat came from the principles themselves. Enuf, but I do not suffer at night because I had closure when I raised the gear of my A-7D at Korat in December 1975 leading the last flight of fighter-bombers of the whole damned war back to the states.
Gums says have a good night....
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" The US president told NBC the F-15 loss would not affect negotiations with Iran, saying: “No, not at all. No, it’s war.”. " (from BBC or Guardian reporting)
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If it is - in the US President's own words, "a war" then surely the War Powers Act applies ?
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If it is - in the US President's own words, "a war" then surely the War Powers Act applies ?
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Says it all really, no doubt he intends to call it Trump International Airport, and I thought operating a Herc off a football stadium was a harebrained scheme.
French General Slams Pentagon's Iran Uranium Raid Plan
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Lt. Gen. Michel Yakovleff, ex-commander of the French Foreign Legion and NATO vice chief, called the high-risk operation 'beyond science fiction' during a French TV broadcast.
The Pentagon plan, briefed to President Trump last week amid U.S.-Israel strikes on Iranian nuclear sites since February 28, 2026, involves thousands of special forces digging out 450 kilograms of near-weapons-grade uranium from rubble-filled tunnels 300 miles inland, building an airstrip under fire, and airlifting it out.
U.S. experts like retired Gens. Joseph Votel and Barry McCaffrey labeled it perilous and 'nuts,' comparing it to failed historical raids, while Yakovleff drew laughs likening it to France's Dien Bien Phu disaster.
Last updated 2 hours ago
Lt. Gen. Michel Yakovleff, ex-commander of the French Foreign Legion and NATO vice chief, called the high-risk operation 'beyond science fiction' during a French TV broadcast.
The Pentagon plan, briefed to President Trump last week amid U.S.-Israel strikes on Iranian nuclear sites since February 28, 2026, involves thousands of special forces digging out 450 kilograms of near-weapons-grade uranium from rubble-filled tunnels 300 miles inland, building an airstrip under fire, and airlifting it out.
U.S. experts like retired Gens. Joseph Votel and Barry McCaffrey labeled it perilous and 'nuts,' comparing it to failed historical raids, while Yakovleff drew laughs likening it to France's Dien Bien Phu disaster.
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Possibly another A10 down?
BREAKING: Bad news, the damaged A-10C+ which was spotted over Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad province of Iran today did not make it to its base.
Now the shootdown of a second A-10C+ Thunderbolt II ground attack aircraft of the U.S. Air Force by Iranian air defenses has been confirmed. This was involved in the search and rescue operation after shootdown of the F-15E of the 494th FS in Iran.
According to CENTCOM sources speaking to ABC News and other outlets, the A-10C+—which was earlier believed to have reached Iraq and performed an emergency landing—actually crashed in Kuwait after the pilot ejected.
The pilot was rescued immediately. This marks the second loss of an A-10C+ of the U.S. Air Force during the Iran war in just one day.
BREAKING: Bad news, the damaged A-10C+ which was spotted over Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad province of Iran today did not make it to its base.
Now the shootdown of a second A-10C+ Thunderbolt II ground attack aircraft of the U.S. Air Force by Iranian air defenses has been confirmed. This was involved in the search and rescue operation after shootdown of the F-15E of the 494th FS in Iran.
According to CENTCOM sources speaking to ABC News and other outlets, the A-10C+—which was earlier believed to have reached Iraq and performed an emergency landing—actually crashed in Kuwait after the pilot ejected.
The pilot was rescued immediately. This marks the second loss of an A-10C+ of the U.S. Air Force during the Iran war in just one day.
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From: Falling off the end of the thread
It appears the US and Israel may have expended most of their anti ballistic missiles as there have been instances of no retaliation against incoming.
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From: Falling off the end of the thread
Resupply run? Hence the call for a ceasefire?
20+ C-17s deployed, largest air transport surge since 2003. Not just troop movement, but potentially 1,000s of tons of equipment. Signals a long-term commitment, what's the 6-month strategy behind this scale of logistics buildup?
20+ C-17s deployed, largest air transport surge since 2003. Not just troop movement, but potentially 1,000s of tons of equipment. Signals a long-term commitment, what's the 6-month strategy behind this scale of logistics buildup?
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I am supprised how many people have been "shocked" by existance of MANPADS...
For country such as Iran everything bellow 10000 of units will be shame and lack of preparations...and that number before the start of conflict.
The only thing that I could not understand, that Iranians choosed tactits of one moths of total suffer, deads and so on- and than started to deffend????
Although, as any other country, where one religious book is stronger than Alghebra 1 and 2 - there would not be any better results.
For country such as Iran everything bellow 10000 of units will be shame and lack of preparations...and that number before the start of conflict.
The only thing that I could not understand, that Iranians choosed tactits of one moths of total suffer, deads and so on- and than started to deffend????
Although, as any other country, where one religious book is stronger than Alghebra 1 and 2 - there would not be any better results.
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The American military playbook is pretty well known, such as sending in B52s only after air defences are suppressed. So it wouldn't be stupid of the Iranians to hide some capable anti-air missiles for a month and wait for the Americans to think they own the skies and let their guard down.
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Bomber Mission 53 - Spirits strike again? #FreeIran!
--- Operation EPIC FURY ---
Yesterday, the only bomber mission to Iran for #OperationEpicFury appears to have been 3 or 4 B-2A "Spirit" bombers, we believe flying as "GRIM" flt. The implication with the increasing frequency of these missions now is that the targets the US is now shifting attention to are targets that their RAF Fairford-based bombers are not being permitted to strike under the UK's "defensive strikes only" policy.
As usual with these transatlantic bombing runs, tankers from Lajes (LPLA), Sofia (LBSF) and Bucharest (LROP) were identified refuelling on the way in and out of theatre, and no doubt there are other tanker refuel points in the US mainland and inside CENTCOM itself to enable these 36+ hour missions.
--- Operation EPIC FURY ---
Yesterday, the only bomber mission to Iran for #OperationEpicFury appears to have been 3 or 4 B-2A "Spirit" bombers, we believe flying as "GRIM" flt. The implication with the increasing frequency of these missions now is that the targets the US is now shifting attention to are targets that their RAF Fairford-based bombers are not being permitted to strike under the UK's "defensive strikes only" policy.
As usual with these transatlantic bombing runs, tankers from Lajes (LPLA), Sofia (LBSF) and Bucharest (LROP) were identified refuelling on the way in and out of theatre, and no doubt there are other tanker refuel points in the US mainland and inside CENTCOM itself to enable these 36+ hour missions.
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Israeli forces struck a major Iranian petrochemical complex in southwest Iran this morning, damaging multiple facilities. State media reports that at least 5 petrochemical plants in the Mahshahr area were targeted, and the IDF confirms it bombed Iranian industrial targets.
BREAKING: In just few hours, the oil price will reach to $200 USD per barrel!
Heavy U.S. and Israeli airstrikes have targeted the Mahshahr Petrochemical Special Economic Zone in southern Iran. This is one of Iran’s major oil infrastructures.
Multiple explosions were reported minutes ago, with at least 25 heavy blasts recorded across the area. Facilities including Marun, Karoun, Bandar Imam, Amir Kabir, Razi petrochemicals, and Fajr 1 & 2 power plants were hit. Large columns of smoke are rising from the petrochemical complex as a result of the strikes.
Further updates are expected.
The IRGC is expected to retaliate this by heavily targeting major oil infrastructures of Saudi Arabia and the UAE as the Saudis had an important role in the airstrikes against the oil facilities of Iran today (by providing access to the Prince Sultan Air Base).
Heavy U.S. and Israeli airstrikes have targeted the Mahshahr Petrochemical Special Economic Zone in southern Iran. This is one of Iran’s major oil infrastructures.
Multiple explosions were reported minutes ago, with at least 25 heavy blasts recorded across the area. Facilities including Marun, Karoun, Bandar Imam, Amir Kabir, Razi petrochemicals, and Fajr 1 & 2 power plants were hit. Large columns of smoke are rising from the petrochemical complex as a result of the strikes.
Further updates are expected.
The IRGC is expected to retaliate this by heavily targeting major oil infrastructures of Saudi Arabia and the UAE as the Saudis had an important role in the airstrikes against the oil facilities of Iran today (by providing access to the Prince Sultan Air Base).
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𝗨.𝗦. 𝗡𝗮𝘃𝘆 𝗘𝘃𝗮𝗰𝘂𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝟱𝘁𝗵 𝗡𝗮𝘃𝘆 𝗛𝗤 𝗶𝗻 𝗕𝗮𝗵𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻
The Pentagon has confirmed 1,500 sailors, families, and pets have been relocated from Naval Support Activity (NSA) Bahrain to Norfolk Naval Base in Virginia.
NSA Bahrain is (was) the headquarters of the U.S. 5th Fleet. It was struck multiple times on 28 February, the opening day of Operation Epic Fury, and several times afterwards. Satellite imagery confirmed at least seven structures destroyed in the first week alone, including communications infrastructure and warehouses.
Sailors are arriving in Norfolk with what fit in a backpack. Community groups were called in to provide basic toiletries.
The Pentagon has confirmed 1,500 sailors, families, and pets have been relocated from Naval Support Activity (NSA) Bahrain to Norfolk Naval Base in Virginia.
NSA Bahrain is (was) the headquarters of the U.S. 5th Fleet. It was struck multiple times on 28 February, the opening day of Operation Epic Fury, and several times afterwards. Satellite imagery confirmed at least seven structures destroyed in the first week alone, including communications infrastructure and warehouses.
Sailors are arriving in Norfolk with what fit in a backpack. Community groups were called in to provide basic toiletries.
Evacuation of U.S. troops from Mideast base sends community groups scrambling to help
NPR has learned that hundreds of sailors were evacuated back to the United States from their base in Bahrain after the base was attacked by Iranian missiles and drones. In addition to the base in Bahrain, NPR has learned that there have been evacuations at other U.S. military bases in the region, though the exact details are unknown at this point.
Bahrain is the home of the Navy's 5th Fleet, making it a central hub for providing maritime security in the Middle East region, including protecting commercial shipping. The country is an island in the Persian Gulf that sits roughly 124 nautical miles away from the coast of Iran, which makes Bahrain well within range of Iranian drone and missile strikes.....
In response to an NPR request, a Navy spokesman acknowledged that 1,500 sailors, their families and several hundred pets were relocated back to the U.S. from NSA Bahrain.
Sailors have been arriving in Norfolk, Va., home to the world's biggest naval base, since at least the middle of March. Several groups that provide aid to military personnel say that the sailors arrived with very little. A call went out to community groups, asking for basic supplies like hygiene products.
"The base was asking for donations of toiletries and different things for the sailors coming back, because they were coming back with nothing,"said Derrick Johnson, commander of American Legion Post 327 in Norfolk.
The post hosted a spaghetti dinner for some of the sailors, said Keith Shanesy, one of the post's vice commanders.
"They literally told them, 'Get what you can get in the backpack. You've got to go,'" he said. "They came with no uniforms, nothing. The three we met first, they came with the clothes on their back, what they could fit in that backpack."
NPR has learned that hundreds of sailors were evacuated back to the United States from their base in Bahrain after the base was attacked by Iranian missiles and drones. In addition to the base in Bahrain, NPR has learned that there have been evacuations at other U.S. military bases in the region, though the exact details are unknown at this point.
Bahrain is the home of the Navy's 5th Fleet, making it a central hub for providing maritime security in the Middle East region, including protecting commercial shipping. The country is an island in the Persian Gulf that sits roughly 124 nautical miles away from the coast of Iran, which makes Bahrain well within range of Iranian drone and missile strikes.....
In response to an NPR request, a Navy spokesman acknowledged that 1,500 sailors, their families and several hundred pets were relocated back to the U.S. from NSA Bahrain.
Sailors have been arriving in Norfolk, Va., home to the world's biggest naval base, since at least the middle of March. Several groups that provide aid to military personnel say that the sailors arrived with very little. A call went out to community groups, asking for basic supplies like hygiene products.
"The base was asking for donations of toiletries and different things for the sailors coming back, because they were coming back with nothing,"said Derrick Johnson, commander of American Legion Post 327 in Norfolk.
The post hosted a spaghetti dinner for some of the sailors, said Keith Shanesy, one of the post's vice commanders.
"They literally told them, 'Get what you can get in the backpack. You've got to go,'" he said. "They came with no uniforms, nothing. The three we met first, they came with the clothes on their back, what they could fit in that backpack."
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You can add at least 2 x CH-47s to that list, hit by drones in Kuwait. photos show destroyed on a hardstanding outside and another inside an open fronted shelter. (unless they dragged the first one back inside....)*
That table is also outdated not showing the F-15E and 2 x A-10Cs shot down yesterday and the E-3G destroyed at PSAB.
On-line sources say they've note around 15 aircraft/helos destroyed in total, discounting the drones.
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That table is also outdated not showing the F-15E and 2 x A-10Cs shot down yesterday and the E-3G destroyed at PSAB.
On-line sources say they've note around 15 aircraft/helos destroyed in total, discounting the drones.
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Losses
It's been pretty amazing just how light the losses have been in the month since the attacks started, but as the conflict evolves, either by as is suggested different technology or tactical changes by the USA ( operations within MANPADS range) that is clearly changing. We'll find out fairly quickly just how this is digested back home, many media outlets are showcasing shock as US aircraft start to be shot down - Yet linebacker II cost 29 odd B52S in 10 days, imagine that now?
