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"Protector" is to be Certifiable Predator B

Old 18th Nov 2016, 22:08
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What type of national emergency might require the use of Protector in the UK?
Not a national emergency, however I recall a GR4 was used a few years back in Wales as part of a search for a missing child (Ian Huntley case?). Protector might be more useful in this scenario.

Might also be useful for searching for survivors in a major flood.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 08:27
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Thanks for the reference. Surely all new purchases in the UK would have 'Certifiable' in the name chosen by the UK. Yet this name appears to originate in the USA where a UK MOD standard is not particularly relevant.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 08:47
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A slightly strange question regarding Protector in UK / international airspace as the answer could be as simple as 'all the things we do with all our other aircraft'. This would include the usual UK defence & deterrence tasks, maritime, maritime counter terrorism, UK counter terrorism, support/training of the Land component, support/training of the Air component, aircrew training, test & development and the list goes on. It could also be called upon to support civil tasks (SAR, disaster relief, counter narcotics etc) but someone will need to pay the bill.

Perhaps we have got used to the 'same-way-different-day' operations of recent years and have grown accustomed to the airspace limitations of Reaper but Protector operations will be different, more responsive and at range. For example, the platform will be capable of flying direct from the UK to Tripoli, provide ISTAR for an extended period, before transiting home. As the platform will form part of our NATO contribution it is also likely to see service on the fringes of Europe.

As a more extreme example it could launch from the UK and fly direct to NY and image a rediculous comb-over getting into a big black car.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 09:44
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Thanks for the reference. Surely all new purchases in the UK would have 'Certifiable' in the name chosen by the UK. Yet this name appears to originate in the USA where a UK MOD standard is not particularly relevant.
Predator and Reaper were never certified to an airworthiness code, civil or military. In order for the UK to purchase more they have to be certifiable in order to comply with UK military airworthiness regulations, this also requires them to be compliant with Def Stan 00-970. As well as a General Atomics redesign to comply with the Def Stan to allow UK purchase, I would imagine they are also being redesigned to comply with MIL-STD-516C for the US military as well. The previous UK purchases were made under an Urgent Operational Requirement (now renamed to Urgent Capability Requirement (UCR)) so certification was required as a catch up in the post 'Urgent' environment.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 13:24
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An overview of the program and the UK regulatory involvement to date:

http://www.ga-asi.com/Websites/gaasi...ty_profile.pdf
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 14:19
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Contested Airspace

So the cash-strapped RAF is spending 1Billion on a Squadron of A/C that cannot be used in contested airspace. Are we getting far too focused on the current 'asymmetric' campaigns and losing sight of the 'Defence of the Realm' aspects?

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Old 19th Nov 2016, 15:41
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Thank you.
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 10:40
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But Protector is a very cost effective way of doing the continuous ops in uncontested airspace bit, allowing Typhoon and Lightning to spend more resources on preparing for more contested operations. Its a high-low mix.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 21:57
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https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned...ts-245m-extra/

British Defence Ministry reveals why a drone program now costs $427M extra

LONDON — The British Defence Ministry’s top civilian has identified in a letter to lawmakers the reasons why a drone acquisition program has experienced a near 40 percent hike in costs.

The Ministry of Defence decided to delay by two years the delivery of 16 General Atomic Protector RG Mk1 drones to replace the Royal Air Force’s MQ-9 Reaper fleet, the letter to Parliament’s Public Accounts Committee said. Stephen Lovegrove, the ministry’s permanent secretary, cited that decision as the main reason for the 325 million (U.S. $427 million) cost increase to the program, as 187 million of that could be attributed to the delay.

“The cost growth and time delay to the program imposed in July 2017 were outside of program tolerances but were the result of the need to ensure the affordability of the overall defence program,” Lovegrove wrote in his letter......

Lovegrove detailed further causes of the cost increase rise in the drone program, which was expected to cost 816 million when it was approved by the MoD in 2016. Aside from the increased costs caused by the delay, the letter said that the fall in the value of the pound against the dollar accounted for 50.8 million of the price rise, and a new primary sensor cost another 64 million. Other unspecified program costs accounted for a further 23 million.......

The pound has firmed up against the dollar a little since the Conservative Party won the general election in December, which may lessen the impact of increased costs for the moment.The new primary sensor investment involves provision of an improved electro-optical and infrared sensor. The letter said the investment was to avoid future obsolescence issues.

Consideration is still being given to the purchase of what is known as a “due regard air-to-air radar” designed for vital detect-and-avoid duties on the platform.....


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Old 25th Jan 2020, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Arcanum View Post
Not a national emergency, however I recall a GR4 was used a few years back in Wales as part of a search for a missing child (Ian Huntley case?). Protector might be more useful in this scenario.

Might also be useful for searching for survivors in a major flood.
The April Jones murder I think.

I believe one was also used in the hunt for the oxygen thief Raoul Moat.
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