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Luftwaffe Eurohawk cancelled?

Old 16th Jul 2013, 16:10
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Luftwaffe Eurohawk cancelled?

Have the Bundestag cancelled the Eurohawk programme?
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 16:29
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Yes.

German Political Intrigue Drove Euro Hawk Debacle | Defense News | defensenews.com
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Opps, any spare U2s now we have sequestration, I'm sure Beale have a few tucked away somewhere.
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Wonder if we could get 'em cheap?
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Cheap he says, with this deficit to pay off, about the cost of Airseeker for a very old unsophisticated airframe.
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"...citing concerns that aviation authorities would not certify the UAV due to its lack of an anti-collision system..."

Not quite what I heard. Germany wanted access to some pretty fundamental certification evidence and this was not forthcoming. The underlying question seemed to be did the US not want to hand it over or did it actually exist at all? Being prepared to take a half a billion euro hit for cancellation might be a clue.
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fundamental certification evidence and this was not forthcoming. The underlying question seemed to be did the US not want to hand it over or did it actually exist at all?
Anyone working on Airseeker will recognise the problem.
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Germany to buy Triton drone to replace canceled Euro Hawk-sources | Reuters

Germany's defense ministry has decided to buy high-altitude MQ-4C Triton unmanned surveillance planes built by U.S. weapons maker Northrop Grumman Corp for deliveries after 2025, ministry sources said on Tuesday. The new drones will replace the Euro Hawk program, which Berlin canceled in May 2013 after it became clear that it could cost up to 600 million euros to get the system approved for use in civil airspace. The sources confirmed a story originally reported by the Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

The plan, which must still be approved by parliament, calls for Germany to buy the new aircraft from the U.S. Navy, which awarded Northrop a contract to design the unmanned aircraft in April 2008. Sensors for the new aircraft are to be built by Airbus, as planned under the previous program, the sources said. It was not immediately clear how many planes the ministry would buy, or at what cost. Under the canceled program, it had planned to buy five Euro Hawk aircraft for 1.2 billion euros.

Experts do not expect to run into any problems winning aviation approval for the new aircraft, which is launched from land and is programmed to fly autonomously as high as 60,000 feet to gather a wide array of intelligence data.

Then-Defence Minister Thomas de Maiziere came under pressure after he was forced to cancel the previous Euro Hawk program in 2013 after it became clear it would cost hundreds of millions of euros to win aviation approval for the aircraft. Ursula von der Leyen was moved into the defense minister job later that year, and took office vowing to reform Germany's ineffective procurement system.

Northrop developed the Triton, a marine-based variant of its initial Global Hawk surveillance drone, for the U.S. Navy. Ministry sources said the aviation approval for Triton would be less costly because it was baked in from the start of the program.
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Germany requesting to buy 4 MQ-4Cs

Germany has requested to buy four MQ-4Cs and the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency has notified Congress on the potential $2.50 billion order.

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...ft-systems-uas

“.......The Government of Germany has requested to buy four (4) MQ-4C Triton Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS), one (1) Mission Control Station (MCS) comprised of one (1) Main Operating Base (MOB) (MD-3A) and one (1) Forward Operating Base (FOB) (MD-3B)....... This proposed MQ-4C UAS sale will be a modified version of the USN Triton configuration.........”
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...$2.50 billion for 4 unmanned aircraft
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A bit more than that - including:

“.....U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics supports services, and other elements of unique engineering efforts required to support the integration, installation and functional platform compatibility testing of Germany’s indigenous payload.......”
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AW&ST:

Germany to Buy Three Global 6000s for Sigint Platform


Germany is to purchase a trio of Bombardier Global 6000 business jets for €75 million ($86 million) to serve the military’s signals intelligence (sigint) mission.

The aircraft will fulfill Germany’s Pegasus requirement, created by the retirement of the German Navy’s Breguet Atlantic surveillance platform in 2010 and the subsequent cancellation of the platforms that were due to replace it—namely, the EuroHawk derivative of the Northrop Grumman Global Hawk high-altitude, long-endurance UAV and more recently the proposed use of the MQ-4 Triton, the naval version of the Global Hawk.

Berlin announced in January that it was opting for a manned platform after national studies concluded that using Triton would result in Germany not meeting NATO demands for initial operations in 2025.

German industry will now install the Airbus-developed Hensoldt Integrated Signal Intelligence System (ISIS) onto the Global 6000 aircraft.

“From 2025 onward, the Bundeswehr will again have the capability for airborne wide-ranging reconnaissance,” German defense officials state, adding, “since this aircraft is already being flown in the Air Force, there will be synergy effects in maintenance, training and the procurement of spare parts.”
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