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UK MFTS Fixed Wing Flying Training : The Future

Old 21st Jan 2020, 15:53
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The UKMFTS Programme is delivering a world-class, state-of-the-art training system which is a global exemplar for training aircrew in preparation for the operational front line.
And Shawbury is a little slow, so what? If you look at the growth area, that will deliver on time or up to 11 weeks early.
We are getting there, and when itís signed off it is guaranteed to be ahead of the game internationally. In under 4 years we will be training other nationalities and making good money from it. The future is worth the odd hiccup now.
Ive had sub par students during the last 12 months, but the updates are hopeful.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 18:54
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The Hawk thread seems to indicate all training will be done in simulators in the relatively near future..............

Future of the Hawk... post #1
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 12:23
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Will/are the T1's doing any AFJT for guys coming from the Texan?
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 14:00
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The UKMFTS Programme is delivering a world-class, state-of-the-art training system which is a global exemplar for training aircrew in preparation for the operational front line.
And Shawbury is a little slow, so what? If you look at the growth area, that will deliver on time or up to 11 weeks early.
We are getting there, and when it’s signed off it is guaranteed to be ahead of the game internationally. In under 4 years we will be training other nationalities and making good money from it. The future is worth the odd hiccup now.
So they underbid for the contract, didn't listen to people who knew about helicopter flying training, have fallen at the first, second and third hurdles for training delivery, are haemorrhaging QHIs due to poor salaries, still have ATC Corporals creating the the flypro (badly) which can't cope with the needed flexible responses to weather, had to dump the 'taxi-rank' system because it didn't survive first contact and have been rewarded for their failure with a £183 million pound elastoplast from the Govt - hardly a few hiccups and definitely not good value for money for the UK taxpayers.

Maybe the whole validity of the competition and their 'winning' bid needs to be revisited.
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 16:46
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 18:10
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Maybe the whole validity of the competition and their 'winning' bid needs to be revisited.
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And I think that's just the helicopter bit he's talking about ....

But how many times has the 'requirement' been altered, usually at short notice?
Here's the latest change of plan - RAF C130 Increase in Crews

And how many sticking plasters have already had to be applied ?

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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 21:38
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Proone - just pointing out, as if it really needs highlighting, that the rotary side of MFTS has been a great waste of time and money with plenty of senior officers believing the snake-oil salesmen from Ascent when they told them they had great new ways to deliver flying training cheaper!

They won the contract, couldn't deliver and are now being baled out with the injection of more public cash - a bloody disgrace.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 20:05
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I know this is a bit of a stab in the dark but does anyone know how many pilots are currently on hold? As it's been a year since it was on the news when apparently 350 were holding, just thought it would be interesting to know what the numbers are now/if anything has improved.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 12:05
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Is the Texan cleared to fly over water yet?

Is the backlog in the pipeline reducing yet?
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 14:56
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Fish to go with that huge chip?
Crab is talking much sense. My spies in Shropshire say that the Juno sqns are mightily p1$$ed off about the whole MFTS thing and morale is quite low!
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 20:21
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Originally Posted by The...Bird View Post
I know this is a bit of a stab in the dark but does anyone know how many pilots are currently on hold? As it's been a year since it was on the news when apparently 350 were holding, just thought it would be interesting to know what the numbers are now/if anything has improved.
I believe that the AAC are soon to scrap the FW phase of the Army Pilots Course due to the RAF/RN wanting all the basic FW slots to try and clear the backlog.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 02:25
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Originally Posted by Lordflasheart View Post
But how many times has the 'requirement' been altered, usually at short notice?
Here's the latest change of plan - RAF C130 Increase in Crews

And how many sticking plasters have already had to be applied ?
Changes to the training throughput requirement have always been required and will continue to be required as long as we have manned aircraft and Defence reviews and fluctuations in the civilian jobs market and changes in crewing ratios and operational commitments and and.... you get the picture. Surely the future costs of MFTS and the legacy system weren't compared on the assumption that requirements would never change?
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 10:09
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Originally Posted by MightyGem View Post
I believe that the AAC are soon to scrap the FW phase of the Army Pilots Course due to the RAF/RN wanting all the basic FW slots to try and clear the backlog.
There may well be at least one incorrect assumption in there.

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Old 11th Feb 2020, 13:25
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The UKMFTS Programme is delivering a world-class, state-of-the-art training system which is a global exemplar for training aircrew in preparation for the operational front line.
[...]and Captain Blackadder definitely did not shoot that delicious plump-breasted pigeon!
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 13:32
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Vortex - are your spies the young officers on course or the civvy instructors? My understanding, and it didn't come from the official PR, was that the courses at Shawbury were running quite well now and the throughput was improving.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 17:32
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Originally Posted by BEagle View Post
[...]and Captain Blackadder definitely did not shoot that delicious plump-breasted pigeon!
Actually Beags, it is delivering.

Yes, it has taken a while to dent the backlog created by the Govt changing its mind over the number of aircrew needed, but the holds are overall getting shorter, the aircraft are pretty darned good and the end product....well we'll have to wait and see but let's please not have a "we were better in my day" debate.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 17:56
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I will say one thing about the 150 hour ex-ab initios that I was teaching a few years ago....they certainly thought they were good!

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Old 11th Feb 2020, 20:38
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Originally Posted by just another jocky View Post
There may well be at least one incorrect assumption in there.
Quite possibly.
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Old 12th Feb 2020, 12:36
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Vortex - are your spies the young officers on course or the civvy instructors? My understanding, and it didn't come from the official PR, was that the courses at Shawbury were running quite well now and the throughput was improving.
Neither of those two groups...and it's not the batting staff or Harry Staish's cat either!
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 07:41
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RAF Shawbury Course Video

Thereís a cracking video doing the rounds at the moment on social media. Itís called ĎMediocre Guní and is a course video from one of the long suffering holdover courses. It is non too kind to the system but very funny and worth a watch if you can get hold of a copy. Itís good to see a bit of extrovert behaviour hasnít been totally crushed by this monstrous situation.
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