RAF Warrant Officer
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I might suggest that a subordinate might always address a superior Officer or Warrant Officer by their rank and name if the situation demands and, having gained their attention, it would be required that the subordinate then starts the exchange with the salutation "Sir, etc, etc".
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I might suggest that a subordinate might always address a superior Officer or Warrant Officer by their rank and name if the situation demands and, having gained their attention, it would be required that the subordinate then starts the exchange with the salutation "Sir, etc, etc".
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The RAF Warrant Officer - according to the RAF website
Warrant Officers (WOs) are often included in the SNCO category, but actually form a separate class of their own. A Warrant Officer will have many years experience and is respected by both rank structures. Warrant Officers are addressed as "Mister" (or "Mrs", "Ms" or "Miss" for female Warrant Officers) by commissioned officers (and as "Sir" or "Ma'am" by everyone else). SNCOs and WOs have their own messes, whereas JNCOs live and eat with the junior ranks.
Thanks for that link Wrathmonk - I hadnt heard of that one. I'm interested to see that the chap is wearing what appears to be a similar beret badge to that worn by staff officers, and other "unattached" officers.
Personally I think the whole thing smacks of a ploy by the guards to rid themselves of the indignity of being considered subordinate to a high ranking spanner-basher from the RLC
Onceapilot - yes, that seems about right.
Personally I think the whole thing smacks of a ploy by the guards to rid themselves of the indignity of being considered subordinate to a high ranking spanner-basher from the RLC
Onceapilot - yes, that seems about right.
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What is a Lord Lieutenants Commission and how does that differ if at all from the Queens Commission (apart from it be conferred by a Lord Lieutenant)?
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Real Warrant Officers were somewhat peed off by Master aircrew, especially
loadies who strutted around the mess flashing their more elaborate sleeve badge.
My W/O was extremely scathing of them and treated them with complete disdain
loadies who strutted around the mess flashing their more elaborate sleeve badge.
My W/O was extremely scathing of them and treated them with complete disdain
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In British India there was a Viceroy's Commissioned Officer, subordinate to all King's Commissioned Officers, but senior to all British Other Ranks (including Warrant Officers)
VCOs were treated and addressed with respect. Even a British officer would address a VCO as, for instance, "subedar sahib" or <name> "sahib". [Wiki]
He would be entitled to second-class travel on the railways (same as BORs)
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VCOs were treated and addressed with respect. Even a British officer would address a VCO as, for instance, "subedar sahib" or <name> "sahib". [Wiki]
He would be entitled to second-class travel on the railways (same as BORs)
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Sergeant Major Haughton was selected for Late Entry Commission in 2012 and went on to put officer cadets at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst through their paces as the Academy Sergeant Major.
(Shame about the tattoos, which contribute little to his dignity)
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I think you will find that many "real Warrant Officers" were also worthy of disdain
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The Army Sergeant Major seems to be wearing a staff officers' hat badge on his beret. The army always deified its Sergeant Majors and even in the Sgts' Mess at Benson woe betide anybody of either service who ordered a drink before the RSM arrived in the bar.
On other RAF Stations I've known one or two CMCs like that but not usually the SWO.
On other RAF Stations I've known one or two CMCs like that but not usually the SWO.
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What this thread needs is a pedant. Conductor, Army Sergeant Major, Station Warrant Officer etc. are all appointments, not ranks. You can have a more senior appointment, but still be the same rank as another WO. This makes for great fun at formal dinners, when the medal and seniority police have real problems deciding if the seating plan is correct or not.
As for "real" Warrant Officers versus Aircrew Warrant Officers, the true mettle of an individual is in the amount of respect they earn through their words and deeds, and has very little to do with Unicorns Rampant on worn on the right sleeve
Stop it right now.
As for "real" Warrant Officers versus Aircrew Warrant Officers, the true mettle of an individual is in the amount of respect they earn through their words and deeds, and has very little to do with Unicorns Rampant on worn on the right sleeve
Then we have American Commisioned Warrant Officers
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woe betide anybody of either service who ordered a drink before the RSM arrived in the bar.
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Down south in '90, the RAOC (as it was then) guys got all excited as THE Conductor was arriving. When we got finished asking which band was coming down they explained about his appointment, and started to brag that he "would sort out this crab Mess" OWTTE. On arrival he made his number with the CMC and the SWO, reminded his guys that they were in an RAF WO's and SGTs mess and our rules and customs applied, he was a top bloke.
I agree entirely that the man not the badge earned the respect. I've only known a small number of Master Aircrew but 3 stick in the mind as top guys.
Gerry Smith, Master Pilot on 1574Flt Changi, the late Peter Barwell AFC and Barry "Smokey" Furness, both Master Air Loadmasters of 84 Sqn, Akrotiri.
I agree entirely that the man not the badge earned the respect. I've only known a small number of Master Aircrew but 3 stick in the mind as top guys.
Gerry Smith, Master Pilot on 1574Flt Changi, the late Peter Barwell AFC and Barry "Smokey" Furness, both Master Air Loadmasters of 84 Sqn, Akrotiri.