Another day another delay in the Chilcot Report - Beeb
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Another day another delay in the Chilcot Report - Beeb
The Iraq Inquiry should be published in June or July 2016, its author says.
Sir John Chilcot said the two million word report would be finished in April, with two months or so then set aside for national security checks on it.
The mother of a British soldier killed in Iraq said it was "another let-down",
criticising the time taken to publish the inquiry, which began in 2009.
Prime Minister David Cameron said he was "disappointed" and offered resources to speed up the process.
The inquiry is considering how UK forces came to participate in the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and its aftermath.
The new publication timetable was set out in a letter to Mr Cameron on the inquiry's website.
In his letter, Sir John says the text of his report should be completed in the week starting 18 April 2016, at which point the process of national security checking would begin.
Such checking is "normal and necessary" with inquiries handling large amounts of sensitive material, he said.
It will ensure that national security and Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which protects the right to life, are not "inadvertently breached" by publication, he said.
"I consider that once national security checking has been completed it should be possible to agree a date for publication in June or July 2016," he added.
Sir John Chilcot said the two million word report would be finished in April, with two months or so then set aside for national security checks on it.
The mother of a British soldier killed in Iraq said it was "another let-down",
criticising the time taken to publish the inquiry, which began in 2009.
Prime Minister David Cameron said he was "disappointed" and offered resources to speed up the process.
The inquiry is considering how UK forces came to participate in the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and its aftermath.
The new publication timetable was set out in a letter to Mr Cameron on the inquiry's website.
In his letter, Sir John says the text of his report should be completed in the week starting 18 April 2016, at which point the process of national security checking would begin.
Such checking is "normal and necessary" with inquiries handling large amounts of sensitive material, he said.
It will ensure that national security and Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which protects the right to life, are not "inadvertently breached" by publication, he said.
"I consider that once national security checking has been completed it should be possible to agree a date for publication in June or July 2016," he added.
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The newspapers said Chilcot was on £700 as a day rate. Which is probably correct and maybe appropriate, if a little low, really. Don't know what the rest of his team are on. (Has he 6?).
This story, the war is too big to be reported honestly and correctly, (like 9/11)?
We, Britain are too far gone and far too bent to get to the bottom of it and come up again for air. That's for future people to comment and reflect upon. It wont read well.
We could get a better, more believable and probably totally accurate report from the Russian Secret Services if anyone ever dare ask for it and publish it.
Chilcot as a man isn't big enough and the Establishment just ain't scared of him, its very clear.
Britains in a dark place at the moment and looking for someone or thing to lead it out IMHO>not because of the war but because of the ever onward repercussions.
This story, the war is too big to be reported honestly and correctly, (like 9/11)?
We, Britain are too far gone and far too bent to get to the bottom of it and come up again for air. That's for future people to comment and reflect upon. It wont read well.
We could get a better, more believable and probably totally accurate report from the Russian Secret Services if anyone ever dare ask for it and publish it.
Chilcot as a man isn't big enough and the Establishment just ain't scared of him, its very clear.
Britains in a dark place at the moment and looking for someone or thing to lead it out IMHO>not because of the war but because of the ever onward repercussions.
It seems that your glass is half empty, Hangarshuffle, while mine is half full. I don't dispute at all your take on this country, the war, or the inquiry chairman, but we don't live in a steady state society and it is the direction that we are going in that counts.
I doubt if such an Inquiry would have been set up in my time, and if it had been would it have been pure whitewash. The trouble that Chilcot has is that such a whitewash is no longer acceptable. Of course, we won't get the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but we will at least get some of it (a great deal of it perhaps).
Without wishing to drift this thread too much or climb onto a soapbox, much the same happened with Hatton-Cave and Lord Philips. Neither of them pleased all of the people all of the time, indeed I consider both of them to have failed in their duty, but their reports are a step in the right direction. The VSO's that issued illegal RTS's, hounded and condemned juniors who would either not comply or who were picked out as scapegoats, or those who tried to cover up such actions, never suspected that they would be challenged and their decisions reversed.
There is much that is rotten in this State, but at least we are now prepared to done gas masks and poke around into its murky depths. Perhaps Chilcot should have been more aggressive in his investigation, but at least he has investigated and hopefully will have something to say that will make the interminable wait by the loved ones of those who died worthwhile. We shall see...
I doubt if such an Inquiry would have been set up in my time, and if it had been would it have been pure whitewash. The trouble that Chilcot has is that such a whitewash is no longer acceptable. Of course, we won't get the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but we will at least get some of it (a great deal of it perhaps).
Without wishing to drift this thread too much or climb onto a soapbox, much the same happened with Hatton-Cave and Lord Philips. Neither of them pleased all of the people all of the time, indeed I consider both of them to have failed in their duty, but their reports are a step in the right direction. The VSO's that issued illegal RTS's, hounded and condemned juniors who would either not comply or who were picked out as scapegoats, or those who tried to cover up such actions, never suspected that they would be challenged and their decisions reversed.
There is much that is rotten in this State, but at least we are now prepared to done gas masks and poke around into its murky depths. Perhaps Chilcot should have been more aggressive in his investigation, but at least he has investigated and hopefully will have something to say that will make the interminable wait by the loved ones of those who died worthwhile. We shall see...
Chugalug,
I really do hope that you are correct!!!
I really do hope that you are correct!!!
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"The newspapers said Chilcot was on £700 as a day rate."
yeah but I'll bet he was told he'd get a peerage as well
Tho' it would be a brave politician who handed him one after this omnishambles........
yeah but I'll bet he was told he'd get a peerage as well
Tho' it would be a brave politician who handed him one after this omnishambles........
Phoney Tony and his mates can breathe a sigh of relief, not that I think they were ever in any real danger of facing charges. "National security checks" will no doubt make sure enough of the report is redacted to make it impossible for that to happen.
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No one will face criminal charges, not even censure.
Waste of time and money and everyone knows it.
For God's sake TB was made Middle East Peace Envoy !!
Seriously what do people expect to get out of this?
Waste of time and money and everyone knows it.
For God's sake TB was made Middle East Peace Envoy !!
Seriously what do people expect to get out of this?
Perhaps I'm just getting old and cynical, perhaps previous government money wasting fests, just as Chilcott does, have ensured I have no faith in the honesty and integrity of modern politicians. I certainly agree with most of the posters on this thread who expect little from Chilcott, and certainly no serious calling to account for Blair or his henchmen, I would include Cameron in that as he supported him in "the vote". I do feel very sorry for a nation that seems to have easily accepted corrupt, venal and lying politicians as our leaders, who seem to despise anything that suggests a return to decent British standards of common decency. I'd like to see Blair in the hands of Jihaddi John though, I would lose no tears in that one.
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Jihaddi John
It suggests an almost approachable, human quality to him, of which clearly he has none...
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A lot of establishment people got very rich out of the war and the war on terror, and continue to do so.
Look at this link. Our country is very, very something and I'm afraid its from the top down (not the other way around, which they continually try to infer).
Former reviewer of anti-terror laws co-owns firm with ex-MI6 chief | World news | The Guardian
Chilcot is doomed. Too many people are mired in it and he just isn't powerful enough to pull it off. Chugger I used to believe in the country I really did, but no longer.
There's something deeply wrong about our country these days. Don't particularly want to go back to the general election, but the utter hideous coverage of the Labour Party leader at the time, or the left wing of our nation, by the right wing press was frankly unbelievable, but it clearly paints the picture of who presently in charge. Truth wont be out in the report.
Look at this link. Our country is very, very something and I'm afraid its from the top down (not the other way around, which they continually try to infer).
Former reviewer of anti-terror laws co-owns firm with ex-MI6 chief | World news | The Guardian
Chilcot is doomed. Too many people are mired in it and he just isn't powerful enough to pull it off. Chugger I used to believe in the country I really did, but no longer.
There's something deeply wrong about our country these days. Don't particularly want to go back to the general election, but the utter hideous coverage of the Labour Party leader at the time, or the left wing of our nation, by the right wing press was frankly unbelievable, but it clearly paints the picture of who presently in charge. Truth wont be out in the report.
Hangarshuffle, as I said before, I don't dispute your take on the grip of the establishment on any meaningful investigation of wrongdoing by governments of any persuasion.
I think you miss the point about Chilcot though, by suggesting that the right wing press are to blame. It would have a field day if he were to state that the Labour Government of Bliar had sent us to war deliberately on a false prospectus. It is not the press but the establishment that covers up the sins of governments of any hue, "in the interests of the State". As Sir Humphrey repeatedly and patiently explained to Hacker, it is he and not Jim that is in charge!
That is the system that has to be changed, in the interests of we the people. Now that really does smack of insurrection! It's going to take time, but information is far more readily available now, and the opportunities to suppress it becoming ever more difficult. Dylan might have written a song or two about it...
I think you miss the point about Chilcot though, by suggesting that the right wing press are to blame. It would have a field day if he were to state that the Labour Government of Bliar had sent us to war deliberately on a false prospectus. It is not the press but the establishment that covers up the sins of governments of any hue, "in the interests of the State". As Sir Humphrey repeatedly and patiently explained to Hacker, it is he and not Jim that is in charge!
That is the system that has to be changed, in the interests of we the people. Now that really does smack of insurrection! It's going to take time, but information is far more readily available now, and the opportunities to suppress it becoming ever more difficult. Dylan might have written a song or two about it...
...to which one might add, The Times They Are A-Changin':-
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.
Due to be published at 11:00 local UK time today.
Some
pictures on BBC News of the swaggering GeeDubya in his leather flight jacket with the simpering poodle Bliar at Camp David....
No doubt Bliar will find a way of squirming out of any criticism in the report
Some
pictures on BBC News of the swaggering GeeDubya in his leather flight jacket with the simpering poodle Bliar at Camp David....No doubt Bliar will find a way of squirming out of any criticism in the report