Russia sends four SU27s to Syria
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There is little doubt that Putin has dug a huge hole for himself with no way out, which makes him very dangerous.
His airforce in Syria is mainly dropping dumb bombs, many of which fail to explode and those that do are mainly killing civilians, which has created a new refugee exodus. There is a huge amount of evidence to back this up with geolocated videos and photographs.
The rebel forces have had years of being bombed by the Syrian airforce so they are well adapted to Russia's attempts. The biggest game changer on the ground is the CIA, Qatar and Saudi throwing lots of munitions at the rebels, so much that they now have the luxury of using ATGMs against lower value targets such as bunkers and soft skinned vehicles. Assad's armor has taken a hammering. On some fronts the Syrian army has made ground. But mostly their attacks have failed and in many cases they have lost ground.
Domestically Putin's superb propaganda machine has made him very popular. The RT lie factory and the Kremlin online troll department have even gained him support among the hard of thinking in the West. Putin has eliminated all potential opposition and leads a kleptocracy that bleeds the Russian public dry with their corruption to support their billionaire lifestyles.
So now the world is caught between a rock and a hard place with Putin. He is unpredictable and erratic and he is cornered in a trap of his own making. This is looking increasingly dangerous for everyone.
His airforce in Syria is mainly dropping dumb bombs, many of which fail to explode and those that do are mainly killing civilians, which has created a new refugee exodus. There is a huge amount of evidence to back this up with geolocated videos and photographs.
The rebel forces have had years of being bombed by the Syrian airforce so they are well adapted to Russia's attempts. The biggest game changer on the ground is the CIA, Qatar and Saudi throwing lots of munitions at the rebels, so much that they now have the luxury of using ATGMs against lower value targets such as bunkers and soft skinned vehicles. Assad's armor has taken a hammering. On some fronts the Syrian army has made ground. But mostly their attacks have failed and in many cases they have lost ground.
Domestically Putin's superb propaganda machine has made him very popular. The RT lie factory and the Kremlin online troll department have even gained him support among the hard of thinking in the West. Putin has eliminated all potential opposition and leads a kleptocracy that bleeds the Russian public dry with their corruption to support their billionaire lifestyles.
So now the world is caught between a rock and a hard place with Putin. He is unpredictable and erratic and he is cornered in a trap of his own making. This is looking increasingly dangerous for everyone.
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Well, Russian pilots agreed to speak English in Syrian sky
Russian and US Pilots Practiced Air Proximity in Syria
Russian and US Pilots Practiced Air Proximity in Syria
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Eclectic,
You wrote: "His airforce in Syria is mainly dropping dumb bombs, many of which fail to explode"
This makes me just laugh. Where have you dug this info out?
I do have knowledge about what's happening and have to disappoint you a little bit by saying that the Russian AF are not that bad.
You wrote: "...and those that do are mainly killing civilians, which has created a new refugee exodus. There is a huge amount of evidence to back this up with geolocated videos and photographs".
Nothing but a propaganda based on jihhadists social networks and faked photos.
Exodus started when the Syrian agressive opposition got weapons and started shooting.
IMHO, this thread is not purposed for such political discussions (however, you are to a large extent right about "Russia-domestic" popularity of Putin, which, I suppose will start declining as the economy keeps going down).
You wrote: "His airforce in Syria is mainly dropping dumb bombs, many of which fail to explode"
This makes me just laugh. Where have you dug this info out?
I do have knowledge about what's happening and have to disappoint you a little bit by saying that the Russian AF are not that bad.
You wrote: "...and those that do are mainly killing civilians, which has created a new refugee exodus. There is a huge amount of evidence to back this up with geolocated videos and photographs".
Nothing but a propaganda based on jihhadists social networks and faked photos.
Exodus started when the Syrian agressive opposition got weapons and started shooting.
IMHO, this thread is not purposed for such political discussions (however, you are to a large extent right about "Russia-domestic" popularity of Putin, which, I suppose will start declining as the economy keeps going down).
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The Bellingcat citizen's journalism website seems to be the most neutral and objective and consistently cross references to its sources. https://www.bellingcat.com/
They have written a whole series of articles on the Syria conflict providing very useful facts and analysis.
Here they expose Russian "news" as being a pack of lies: https://www.bellingcat.com/resources...os-from-syria/
Here they provide data and analysis of ATGM usage: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena...of-entire-war/
Russian targeting: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2015...ital-in-syria/
They have written a whole series of articles on the Syria conflict providing very useful facts and analysis.
Here they expose Russian "news" as being a pack of lies: https://www.bellingcat.com/resources...os-from-syria/
Here they provide data and analysis of ATGM usage: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena...of-entire-war/
Russian targeting: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2015...ital-in-syria/
The Bellingcat citizen's journalism website
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It's pity that in a professional forum discussions references are made to such "house wife level" experts. I recall this "collective -cat" was publishing fakes and anti-Russian propaganda after the MH-17 tragedy in the Ukraine. Nothing but a trumpet (or a puppet) of the ongoing informational war, which (inf. war) I really hate.
And it's especially funny for the Russians to read "how things work" in their own country, the stuff published by such "experts".
IMHO, as far as Syria is concerned, this -cat is as neutral as notorious Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. The latter is run by a single immigrant with criminal past, currently living in Coventry owing a couple of cloth shops and vaguely saying he has a network of hundred informers (ISIS and likes social networks?) Nonsense.
I suggest we come back to airplanes, munitions, etc. ....
And it's especially funny for the Russians to read "how things work" in their own country, the stuff published by such "experts".
IMHO, as far as Syria is concerned, this -cat is as neutral as notorious Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. The latter is run by a single immigrant with criminal past, currently living in Coventry owing a couple of cloth shops and vaguely saying he has a network of hundred informers (ISIS and likes social networks?) Nonsense.
I suggest we come back to airplanes, munitions, etc. ....
His airforce in Syria is mainly dropping dumb bombs, many of which fail to explode
and those that do are mainly killing civilians, which has created a new refugee exodus.
Just in case you weren't sure ... since the civil war in Syria began in 2011, there has been an exodus underway, which last year was estimated to have cost Syria 1-2million people ... hard numbers will vary with the source cited.
The rebel forces have had years of being bombed by the Syrian airforce so they are well adapted to Russia's attempts.
He is unpredictable and erratic and he is cornered in a trap of his own making.
This is looking increasingly dangerous for everyone.
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Dear Mr Eclectic, you're on a pilots forum .... well pilots and others intimately connected past or present to military flying. Let me guess, you've never served in the Air Force ..... or the Army ...... or the Navy. I further guess that you've never worked for the MoD, Foreign Office or Intelligence ..... am I close? I suspect that you are very anti-Russian being unable to differentiate between modern Russia and the historical Soviet Union. A little thoughtful reading perhaps of a wider variety than usual might be helpful in seeing the differences because surprisingly, there are many (as well as similarities).
I rather suspect that Mr Putin will win out over ISIS and perhaps Mr Assad will remain in power. I suspect that America may now have to seriously re-think its middle east policy. What worries me is if either Clinton or one of the American Conservative candidates takes power - either way we are on dangerous ground of their being mis-advised into thinking that they could win against Russia.
I would hope that if they are so ill-advised, our government will sit on its hands and refuse to allow the UK to be a base for attacking Russia.
We simply don't need any such stupidity which some people seem to think would be good.
I rather suspect that Mr Putin will win out over ISIS and perhaps Mr Assad will remain in power. I suspect that America may now have to seriously re-think its middle east policy. What worries me is if either Clinton or one of the American Conservative candidates takes power - either way we are on dangerous ground of their being mis-advised into thinking that they could win against Russia.
I would hope that if they are so ill-advised, our government will sit on its hands and refuse to allow the UK to be a base for attacking Russia.
We simply don't need any such stupidity which some people seem to think would be good.
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Van, you're so predictable, but I wouldn't have you any other way. I use Monbiot and Polly Toynbee as my fair weathers in the Grauniad - whatever they're for - I know I'm agin. I apply the same rule to you on Russia. Thanks.
Not sure about RF, might just be a useful idiot from a redbrick university rather than calculated, but still a useful weathervane.....
Not sure about RF, might just be a useful idiot from a redbrick university rather than calculated, but still a useful weathervane.....
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Just look at all the shenanigans around MH-17, the barrage of lies and disinformation about Crimea and now the unprecedented scandal in world athletics.
Russia is a gangster state run by a kleptocracy. Vastly worse than the old Soviet Union. We can never, ever, believe a single word they say or trust them one millimeter.
This applies to the Russian state and all its organs. It also applies to the Russian press, which is just an extension of the state used for distributing propaganda.
Russia is a gangster state run by a kleptocracy. Vastly worse than the old Soviet Union. We can never, ever, believe a single word they say or trust them one millimeter.
This applies to the Russian state and all its organs. It also applies to the Russian press, which is just an extension of the state used for distributing propaganda.
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Gentlemen,
Looks like this thread is drifting towards sociology and psychopathology.
Regarding the form of expressing one's opinion, let me refer to good old Victorian rules
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http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/06/19/37-conversation-rules-for-gentleman-from-1875/
Looking forward for continuing on Su-xx stuff.
Looks like this thread is drifting towards sociology and psychopathology.
Regarding the form of expressing one's opinion, let me refer to good old Victorian rules
:http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/06/19/37-conversation-rules-for-gentleman-from-1875/
Looking forward for continuing on Su-xx stuff.
Russia is a gangster state run by a kleptocracy. Vastly worse than the old Soviet Union. We can never, ever, believe a single word they say or trust them one millimeter.
As was suggested, getting back to CAS and Strikes ...
I am still non plussed by the idea that "moderate" rebels against Mr Assad exist. Moderates don't tend to fight. One tends to need extreme motivation to take up arms and get after them other folks.
Update:
Apparently, this effort by the Russians has been somewhat helpful
State television said the Syrian army was able to reach and meet with troops who have been defending the Kweires military base against an ISIS siege since 2013. The state-run broadcaster also ran footage of what it said was from inside the base.
"Army and armed forces unit eliminate large numbers of ISIS terrorists and
make contact with the forces defending Kwairis Airport," read a banner on the state-run SANA news agency website. Some 200 embattled Syrian soldiers have been trapped inside the air base fending off persistent attacks from ISIS, according to military sources.
"Army and armed forces unit eliminate large numbers of ISIS terrorists and
make contact with the forces defending Kwairis Airport," read a banner on the state-run SANA news agency website. Some 200 embattled Syrian soldiers have been trapped inside the air base fending off persistent attacks from ISIS, according to military sources.
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No, not much at all. Full biographies below.
2. Don't know, might not be. Since the Russians are backing Assad (who believe it or not leads the government still in power, and whose ambassador shows up at the UN each morning in New York for a coffee) whomever is fighting him gets to be a target.
This is one of those weird deals where member states in the UN are operating in a member state's territory, and perhaps with less than clear permissions.
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One more provocative post in support to islamic extremism.
Take a footage with usage of phosphorous bombs (no matter where, no matter when), add a sound track with "Allah, etc" and blame who ever you want.
E.g., such footage might be taken during the following campaign :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falluj...idden_Massacre
Take a footage with usage of phosphorous bombs (no matter where, no matter when), add a sound track with "Allah, etc" and blame who ever you want.
E.g., such footage might be taken during the following campaign :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falluj...idden_Massacre