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Old 19th May 2015, 10:58
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That is why they are called the Senior Service, then again 2 and a bit decades ago I was chatting to a nice blonde nurse who was naive and her bf was an ATC WO waiting to enter OASC and she said "oh in case you did not know it the RAF is the senior service lol"

It has come to a mutually beneficial ending in a weird form or fashion ..however could we all agree it could have turned out a hell of a lot worse, for example he could have ended up (unwillingly) in the company of certain 4 lettered sponsored / linked individuals out to do no good in this world... and the ending would be far from a happy one for sure.......
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Old 19th May 2015, 11:25
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By post #8 we have the start of an RAF vs RN points scoring !
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Old 19th May 2015, 12:02
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I'm sure he will benefit from all the nice early morning exercise at MCTC Colchester.
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Old 19th May 2015, 12:11
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Suspicious

I read all 18 pages of it. I thought that the style of writing and prose suggested that it had been cobbled together by more than one hand.
He's a dreamer who should have been selected out at the selection process.

It seems that Billy had started off with a conclusion and then looked for evidence to support it, believing he was some sort of Hollywood 'Mole' in a spy film skulking around eavesdropping. All rather pathetic really.

While some of it had a ring of truth to it, I am deeply skeptical of some of his assertions, particularly in respect of his alleged access to classified documents.

That said - I am glad that the RN are going to look at the situation seriously and hopefully some of the allegations of lapsed security will be addressed.

Are the boats safe? Well of course they are, but they are old and all old machines need fettling to keep them going.

He's no Snowden
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Without wishing to comment on the validity of McNeilly's comments for good reason, I suspect that I am not the only one who detects more than a hint of external assistance in this case, not to mention the use of some American English.

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Old 19th May 2015, 12:13
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HAS59 - Snap!

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Old 19th May 2015, 12:35
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or he is not bright enough to change the dictionary settings in word?
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Old 19th May 2015, 13:06
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The worrying thing is that the account reads very much as being honestly and accurately written. Carrying snags is nothing new, but the decision to do so should be made by a properly SQEP'd and authorised individual and then appropriately documented. None of that sounds the case here.
And frankly, he is far, far too junior to be even anywhere near that process. In the cases he describes, I'd suggest the lowest level of having SQEP is CPO/WO1 to Lt Cdr.

Some of it does sound cultural malaise, but frankly CASD is boring and vital. The engineering snags carried would have been properly documented before they went to sea - I know, because I am part of a similar chain for my surface ship.
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Old 19th May 2015, 16:54
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It does read to me like the words of someone suffering from some form of mental health issue, be it the cause of, or result of, his actions.
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:05
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badly written but he makes some points

basically if you operate old kit this is the sort of thing you have to put up with and people get bored and shortcut the safety & security


interesting point tho that asking questions re maintenance is not a good way to get a promotion - I'm sure the Nimrod safety guys will recognise a lot of the basic "culture" here

I'd like to think a decent investigation into the issues raised will take place but I suspect he'll be labelled "an idiot troublemaker" and it will all go under the carpet again
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:06
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Carrying snags is nothing new, but the decision to do so should be made by a
properly SQEP'd and authorised individual and then appropriately documented.
None of that sounds the case here.
Are tradesmen on the line allowed to say "It'll do a trip" these days or are we only looking at Ships?
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:27
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We've had ships voluntarily put themselves alongside because of cumulative risk; we've stopped tasking to make sure that the people are in the right place and frame of mind.

I'm afraid that I don't put a lot of credence in a v junior account of something, especially when most of it is 3rd hand dits.
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:42
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Mcneilly seems to be a bit of a loner. Perhaps not well suited for this job and should have been denied selection due to this character trait. That and the fact he doesn't seem to believe in the Nuclear Deterrent either.

I'm wondering if someone has talked him into testing security and reporting back certain information! He seems to have spent most of his time testing his fellow crewman on their working knowledge and finding fault wherever he could.

Embarrassing for the RN and seemingly disloyal to his fellow crew.

The point he makes about walking past security without them scrutinising his ID details, may well be explained that security knows who he is by recognition; the best form of identification. I'm sure security see the same ratings and contractors day in, day out and really do know who they are without checking their IDs.

Still, it seems we need about 6 boats, rather than 4...
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Old 19th May 2015, 17:47
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...and no doubt we need new boats, properly funded, manned and equipped.
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Old 19th May 2015, 18:06
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Courtney,

Surely in this day and age that should be "personned", not "manned"...
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Old 19th May 2015, 19:40
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Surely we have all had to read up the Acceptable Deferred Defects which we signed before flight? I assume this is the maritime equivalent.
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Old 19th May 2015, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Union Jack
Without wishing to comment on the validity of McNeilly's comments for good reason, I suspect that I am not the only one who detects more than a hint of external assistance in this case, not to mention the use of some American English.

Jack
I picked up on that too, but I put it down to the missiles being American, so the SOPs will have come from the US. I have no doubt that the V boats spend quite a bit of time in King's Bay, too.

Not that I am defending this guy, far from it, but I can understand why some of that document seems to have American influence.
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Old 19th May 2015, 20:30
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Are tradesmen on the line allowed to say "It'll do a trip" these days or are we only looking at Ships?
A quality statement indicating that it is fit for purpose, that being to fly one trip only, thereafter requiring cont ops waiver, TR or AF.

Not sure if I am comfortable with "It'll do a trip" applying to our nuclear subs that are about to go on patrol for 6 months. I would like to think they at least start 100% serviceable, and there after apply good judgement and not a "pressonitis" approach to getting the job done - at any cost.
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Old 19th May 2015, 20:52
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Surely in this day and age that should be "personned", not "manned"...
You just undermined my entire position. What was it again?

Oh, well. Next time.
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Old 19th May 2015, 21:57
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Bombers do 3 - 4 months, never 6 months.
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