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BBMF Lanc Engine Fire

Old 18th May 2015, 11:33
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I believe PA474 was fitted with the larger, Lincoln-style rudders from new
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Old 18th May 2015, 13:50
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We've seen a lot of information here about the damage to the engine bearers and wing repairs etc, but any news on what actually caused the fire in the first place?

I can certainly commend the crew for getting her back on the ground in double quick time, and know just how heart stopping such an occurrence can be. Two Shackletons were lost due to engine fires which didn't go out immediately - both due to the engine mounting burning through and the engine falling off or wing failing. The scuttlebut was that it would take about 90 secs for the magnesium alloy mainspars to burn through in the event of a major engine fire, and I assume that Thumper's mainspar is the same. I was lucky - one engine fire that went out with the extinguisher and two false indications (but only realised once on the ground).

My thoughts also go to the groundcrew, who have looked after this (and the other BBMF) aircraft so well, when they saw the damage, and realised the task ahead of them.
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Old 18th May 2015, 16:50
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I was lucky - one engine fire that went out with the extinguisher and two
false indications (but only realised once on the ground).
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I had a similar experience as ground crew on a 37 Sqn. Mk2 returning to K´sar from Majunga in 1966. The fire was extinguished successfully but the damage caused prevented the prop from being feathered. We eventually landed safely at Embakasi, Nairobi.

My grateful thanks to the captain, Flt. Lt. Nick Nicholls and his crew for that.
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Old 18th May 2015, 19:43
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FFS ground it forever.

Yep ground the beast forever. If you want to see one flying watch a video. Sorry but yet again another vintage plane ride ends in disaster (or near disaster). When will the authorities grow balls, say no, dig in and stop this nonsense?
Lancaster's were and are dangerous death traps, built solely for war, in a time of war.
In a time long ago.
Please cease flying and put it in a museum-nothing lasts forever, especially luck.
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Old 18th May 2015, 22:22
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HS It's not going to be much of an airborne memorial if it's in a museum now is it? Once FAA and now Daily Mail? Lancasters are not dangerous deathtraps and I would happily fly in one again.

PA.474 has an enviable safety record.

Please fix her up and get her flying again soon.
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Old 19th May 2015, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Shackman View Post
We've seen a lot of information here about the damage to the engine bearers and wing repairs etc, but any news on what actually caused the fire in the first place?

I can certainly commend the crew for getting her back on the ground in double quick time, and know just how heart stopping such an occurrence can be. Two Shackletons were lost due to engine fires which didn't go out immediately - both due to the engine mounting burning through and the engine falling off or wing failing. The scuttlebut was that it would take about 90 secs for the magnesium alloy mainspars to burn through in the event of a major engine fire, and I assume that Thumper's mainspar is the same.
The spar booms fitted to PA474 are left over Shackleton material, and I had the drawings that were supplied to BBMF in my hand last weekend while working in our archive. It stands to reason they're exactly as susceptible to fire damage as they would be on a Shack.

We're anxiously waiting for the results of what caused the fire as with the similarities between our aircraft and BBMF's we don't want to fall victim to a fire that could be avoided.
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Old 19th May 2015, 08:59
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Please cease flying and put it in a museum-nothing lasts forever, especially luck. - HS

Oh dear, HS....you'll upset our friends in light blue with comments like that. There's probably a greater likelihood of you, with your jaundiced views on so many aspects of Service life, ending up in the FAA Museum before PA474 ends up in the RAF Museum!

Jack

PS Just to cheer you up, I do agree with you about luck
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Old 20th May 2015, 09:16
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Regarding Lancaster Main Spars, I attach an extract from AP 2062B, Vol 1, Sect 7, Ch 2:



I'm now curious about when the almost identical Lincoln spars were changed to Mag Alloy ones in Shackletons.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 12:14
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just had an unbelivable reply from the RIAT orginzers about the Lancs attendence this year.
Thank you for your email.

As we have not had official confirmation that the Lancaster will not be in attendance at the Air Tattoo it will remain on our attendance list.

Kind Regards

Sarah Turner
Marketing Executive

ROYAL AIR FORCE Charitable Trust Enterprises
Home of the Royal International Air Tattoo
www.airtattoo.com
Either they work miracles or are unable to pick up a phone to check. alot of ppl dont follow these pages etc
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 18:43
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According to the BBMF's Facebook page they are hoping to get it flying
by the end of August.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 21:15
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Thx mmich still dosnt excuse the muppets at RIAT
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 21:52
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In fairness to the organisers you wouldn't want them to guess whether or not participants are going to attend. it's up to BBMF to say if they're not going to be there.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 22:42
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I agree. If the BBMF haven't formally cancelled their slot, then they are still on the ORBAT. Surely the onus is on the BBMF to declare early and avoid disappointment?
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 22:44
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Well yes it's up to BBMF to point out to those organising doo's if they can attend or not.

However one can hear the sound of umbrellas going up in anticipation of a no show...
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 22:45
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Won't be the first time someone landed one of those bad boys on fire. With less engines than that. Shouldn't be the last
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 20:12
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Anyone have an update on the old dear?
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 20:18
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Late June 2015 press release:

Lancaster bomber

Warrant Officer Kevin Ball, from the BBMF, said: "The problems for us are really in the support structure - a lot of the cowlings were damaged - so it's getting those repaired."
He said: "It's not so much the engine itself - it's the surrounding structure, electrical looms and so on."
Last year, the only other flying Lancaster, which is based in Canada, visited the UK. It also suffered technical problems and had to be loaned a spare engine by the BBMF.
This engine will now be fitted to the Lancaster once other parts have been replaced. WO Ball added: "We are looking to possibly air test during the last week of August, first week of September. "If it all comes together maybe we will see her flying before the end of the season."
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 09:44
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In the recent 'Memorial Flight' magazine Kevin Ball expresses relief that the fire occurred over Lincolnshire and not the previous weekend over the North Sea....
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 11:01
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Lancaster Airworthiness

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Lancaster's were and are dangerous death traps, built solely for war, ....


Surely all military aircraft are built for war?
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 12:27
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According to research done during the war, although Halifax losses were greater than the Lancaster, per sorties flown for a given period. The Lancaster had a greater tendency to break up in mid air than the better built Halifax. In 68% of cases of Lancasters being shot down, there were no survivors! Survival rates for the Halifax were 29.4% and only 10.9% for the Lancaster. This was also attributed to the Lancaster being a more confined aircraft and having somewhat smaller escape hatches.
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