Suspected Terror attack in Canada
Recent convert that had passport siezed
According to this report he was a recent convert who had had his passport seized.
Canadian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau thought to be the gunman in Ottawa shooting
Canadian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau thought to be the gunman in Ottawa shooting
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Rh200, agreed, however the problem could be dealt with if we didn't listen to lawyers and didn't pretend that the Geneva convention should extend to this pond life.
Exactly why Assads gassing of similarly aligned individuals I n Syria should have been met with "so what" instead of the near western offensive action against Assad. Thank god common sense prevailed.
Whether it's russian heavy handedness, syrian heavy handedness or similar (saddam for all his failings kept this lot well and truly under control) we have to accept our western idylls leave us vulnerable from mal aligned forces in our own borders. Which is why known protagonists need to be bagged and thrown into a gitmo equivalent. It's well and truly time to take off the gloves and apply utterly disproportionate force to get the message across.
This whole Arab spring is nothing less than a destabilising outcome for the region. Why the hell we went along and supported elements that had extremism as their goal I will never know. Even a relatively moderate country like Egypt can't get it right, what hope do we have for Libya, Algeria, Iraq and Syria? The armed forces are supposed to be looking out for our own population, not being a "force for good". Granted, we need to take action in the British interest but I don't particularly see much in recent times that has met anything other than a liberal do gooder agenda.the biggest fallacy ŵe need to guard against is this politicians urge that we need to be seen to do something. Unfortunately, the world isn't that black and white.
Exactly why Assads gassing of similarly aligned individuals I n Syria should have been met with "so what" instead of the near western offensive action against Assad. Thank god common sense prevailed.
Whether it's russian heavy handedness, syrian heavy handedness or similar (saddam for all his failings kept this lot well and truly under control) we have to accept our western idylls leave us vulnerable from mal aligned forces in our own borders. Which is why known protagonists need to be bagged and thrown into a gitmo equivalent. It's well and truly time to take off the gloves and apply utterly disproportionate force to get the message across.
This whole Arab spring is nothing less than a destabilising outcome for the region. Why the hell we went along and supported elements that had extremism as their goal I will never know. Even a relatively moderate country like Egypt can't get it right, what hope do we have for Libya, Algeria, Iraq and Syria? The armed forces are supposed to be looking out for our own population, not being a "force for good". Granted, we need to take action in the British interest but I don't particularly see much in recent times that has met anything other than a liberal do gooder agenda.the biggest fallacy ŵe need to guard against is this politicians urge that we need to be seen to do something. Unfortunately, the world isn't that black and white.
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and didn't pretend that the Geneva convention should extend to this pond life
IS is not a recognized State.
If Canada wishes to change its Laws in regard of these types, it can.
It would seem that the perpertrators of both Canadian attacks were know by the Authorities and had been deprived of their passports. Maybe we should be allowing them to leave our Countries for Turkey, Syria or wherever and then rescinding their passports thus stopping them coming back.
In joining the fight for IS they are effectively turning their back on their home Country so let them become members of their new caliphate.
The present Laws say we cant make a person Stateless......change the Law under emergency powers. No Civilised Country needs these scum and no sane person would welcome them back so what is so difficult?
In joining the fight for IS they are effectively turning their back on their home Country so let them become members of their new caliphate.
The present Laws say we cant make a person Stateless......change the Law under emergency powers. No Civilised Country needs these scum and no sane person would welcome them back so what is so difficult?
Ottawa Murder
My thoughts and payers are with the family of 25 yr old Cpl Nathan Cirillo (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Regiment), who leaves behind a six year old Son. RIP.
Great effort by the lady who was administering CPR to Nathan (as seen on CBC News last night).
Great effort by the lady who was administering CPR to Nathan (as seen on CBC News last night).
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The problem with letting them leave and then rescinding their passports, and not letting them back, is that if they only have one citizenship you will leave them stateless. And there are a whole bunch of international agreements as well as moral reasons that we don't want to do that.
Of course, to go join another "state" might be an exception, but then, where does one draw the line?
Of course, to go join another "state" might be an exception, but then, where does one draw the line?
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You could make them stateless by declaring them an enemy of the state, tracking them down abroad and turning them to mush in the Syrian desert. These people when found abroad should be taken out.
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or missing them , hit some innocents and have another bunch of people who really, really hate us
I'd have thought the last 100 years should have proved that bombing people in the Middle East does no bloody good at all
I'd have thought the last 100 years should have proved that bombing people in the Middle East does no bloody good at all
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Have you not seen the video footage of them brainwashing kids? They hate us anyway. A bit of collateral will save trouble in future years.
All the last 100 years have proved us we haven't done a good enough job. Anyone living along side ISIS is fair game.boming the crap out them seems to be working quite well in Kobane.
All the last 100 years have proved us we haven't done a good enough job. Anyone living along side ISIS is fair game.boming the crap out them seems to be working quite well in Kobane.
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IT DOESN'T WORK
everyone has had a go - us, the Yanks, the French, the Russians, the Italians, the Israelis, the Turks - sometimes on our own and sometimes together - and they've had a few bashes amongst themselves
we don't belong there and we should stay out
the only way would be to nuke the whole areas top to bottom - kill everyone - and that would cause a few problems in Europe ......... and as for the oil price......................
everyone has had a go - us, the Yanks, the French, the Russians, the Italians, the Israelis, the Turks - sometimes on our own and sometimes together - and they've had a few bashes amongst themselves
we don't belong there and we should stay out
the only way would be to nuke the whole areas top to bottom - kill everyone - and that would cause a few problems in Europe ......... and as for the oil price......................
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The only comparable we have in succeeding against a load of deity worshipping, mass murdering religious nut jobs was victory over Japan. Only complete disproportionate force will work.
The insurgents have it in their minds that their success has been some divine right, given to them by Allah. It's time they woke up, smelled the coffee and returned from their raping, pillaging, torture and murder to find their home gone under a 2000lb preferably free fall crater. They need to know that western nations will categorically not be held to ransom.
You say it hasn't worked, but it has. You only have to look at what the French foreign legion did in Algeria to realise that it can, and has been done. Law of Armed conflict needs to be put to one side though.
Listen to this guy. Do you think he is up for a bit of negotiation round the peace table? The only way to deal with this is a massacre of all those involved in ISIS and who support ISIS.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b53_1413843302
The insurgents have it in their minds that their success has been some divine right, given to them by Allah. It's time they woke up, smelled the coffee and returned from their raping, pillaging, torture and murder to find their home gone under a 2000lb preferably free fall crater. They need to know that western nations will categorically not be held to ransom.
You say it hasn't worked, but it has. You only have to look at what the French foreign legion did in Algeria to realise that it can, and has been done. Law of Armed conflict needs to be put to one side though.
Listen to this guy. Do you think he is up for a bit of negotiation round the peace table? The only way to deal with this is a massacre of all those involved in ISIS and who support ISIS.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b53_1413843302
Heathrow Harry, the French didn't actually 'lose' in Algeria, although the OAS might well have thought so. Following the March 1962 Evian agreement, in July 1962 a referendum was held in Algeria and the populations was asked 'Do you want Algeria to become an independent state, co-operating with France under the conditions defined in the declarations of 19 March 1962?'.
Over 99% said they did, so Algeria became independent and most of the Pieds-Noirs (European Algerians of French descent, mostly from the colonial era) returned to France.
Over 99% said they did, so Algeria became independent and most of the Pieds-Noirs (European Algerians of French descent, mostly from the colonial era) returned to France.
Just came on CBC News, the guys mother works for the Federal imigration department, make what you will of this gem of information
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'd have thought the last 100 years should have proved that bombing people in the Middle East does no bloody good at all
As I have said before, the psychology of all this hasn't change in thousands of years. We as a species have been taking over, defeating, losing, suppressing etc for eons, the MO's for successful campaigns is not rocket science.
Our biggest problem is us, and our enemys know it.
VinRouge:
referring to the Japanese as religious fanatics strikes me as a curious reading of Japanes culture in the early 20th century ... and inaccurate.
That said, it was very much a clash of cultures, and a whole lot of force was required. Lots of force.
The only comparable we have in succeeding against a load of deity worshipping, mass murdering religious nut jobs was victory over Japan. Only complete disproportionate force will work.
That said, it was very much a clash of cultures, and a whole lot of force was required. Lots of force.
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