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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 15:48
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Ok I am familiar with all of the noms de plume above except 'Max Burner' which surprises me somewhat as I was there too. Perhaps you could clarify without giving name in clear e.g 2nd from right 2nd row.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 16:08
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Royal Navy Phantom Weapon Loads

I appreciate that often used publicity photographs may not portray aircraft in representative operational condition. However, can anyone explain why there are virtually no pictures of Royal Navy FG1's with missiles loaded, even acquisition rounds or drill rounds? Am I right in thinking that RAF Phantoms usually carried at least two forward sparrow drill rounds,as it was beneficial to the C of G? If so, why not Navy Phantoms?

Also, given the FG1's role why were they never wired for the SUU-23/A gun? I know the FG1's were updated to include this facility when they were transferred to the RAF. Would it have not been a more versatile weapon than the Matra pods and bombs that there seem to be quite a few pictures of?

If anyone has some good pictures of Royal Navy Phantoms with a full missile load (that isn't on display at some shore based air show), can they please post some here?
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 18:55
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Haven't got any photos of RN FG1's armed with 4x4 sparrows/ sidewinders but I can confirm that 892 sqn took thier turn doing Northern QRA in 1973 after they arrived at Leuchars in 1972.


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Old 4th Sep 2015, 20:18
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If anyone can give me a simple heads up how to post images I will gladly
do so got lots of UK F4 pictures
The reason the FG1 didn't have the gun I'm told is that it would have be v hard to harmonise with a carrier landing performed and knocking the gun about
Hope I can put some nice images on here
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 20:24
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 20:56
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Sabre Dog View Post
can anyone explain why there are virtually no pictures of Royal Navy FG1's with missiles loaded, even acquisition rounds or drill rounds?
Weren't the RN Phantoms F-4Ks, not FG1s?
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 21:54
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Didn't 892 NAS have?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 03:18
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RAF & RN Phantom Mark / Type Designations

John Eacott,

F-4K and F-4M were the US designations for UK Phantoms which had the UK military mark / type designations Phantom FG1 and FGR2 respectively.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 03:30
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892 NAS FAA Phantom FG1 loaded with 2 x Sparrow, 4 x Sidewinder and 3 x SNEB rocket pod on a triple carrier.


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Old 5th Sep 2015, 14:20
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RH Phantom picture

Great picture "RAFEngO74to09", just the sort of thing I had in mind! However, is this a very unusual configuration? Four Sidewinders, Two Sparrows, Two drop tanks, two luggage pods and three Matras on the centreline hard point!

Also, is the patch underneath the port wing by the roundel, evidence of wing strengthening?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:11
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FG 1 Piccy

Rockets on the centreline - never very accurate. Problem was that the airflow around the fuselage gave the rockets a disturbed air mass for a significant part of their initial flight. With relatively low initial velocity this resulted in much more dispersion than from the wing stations and on 6 Sqn we stopped using the centreline station for Sneb in 1970.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 16:24
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Useful for carrying them somewhere if your usual stations have baggage pods on though?

Anyway - I really enjoy this thread and the other similar threads.

One of my earliest aviation memories was a 3 or 4 ship blasting off over the car from an air show (maybe very early Fairford) whilst we were waiting to get off the airfield. I think they were 226 (correction 228, thanks Captain) OCU.

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Old 5th Sep 2015, 16:59
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228 OCU

That'd be Number 228 OCU. Ahhh those were the days...................
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 17:33
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The FAA did not have a great reputation whilst carrying / living firing AIM 7;-
A free-fire exercise off the East Coast of USA cost many cases of gin and apologies for bagging a B66 jammer.
MPC or similar witnessed a slow cordite burn which resulted in a delayed motor ignition thence the missile proceeded forward over the wing!
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 17:37
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Seven tank and the dummy sparrow

I appreciate that often used publicity photographs may not portray aircraft in representative operational condition. However, can anyone explain why there are virtually no pictures of Royal Navy FG1's with missiles loaded, even acquisition rounds or drill rounds? Am I right in thinking that RAF Phantoms usually carried at least two forward sparrow drill rounds,as it was beneficial to the C of G? If so, why not Navy Phantoms?
When I was crawling around under the belly of the beast we usually had a ballast Sparrow shape and a strike camera fitted in the forward Sparrow stations. I understood this to be a balance for the no 7 fuel tank which was in the spine under the fin. This was installed in the F4E which had a natural 'counterweight' courtesy of the cannon in the nose.
We used to have to check that the no 7 tank was disabled during refuelling and I don't think I ever knew of one being filled. Not sure the FG1 had the 7 tank which might be why they didn't carry the shape all the time.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 18:49
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228

I hang my head in shame...yes, I knew that, honest.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 20:50
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SF - so what did she call you when she was mad at you?.............
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 23:22
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Wiggy - Re Phandet.

The picture may well be the damaged F4 due to the cable engagement. It was about late November/early December 1982 and I think Madsox was the pilot. I was in the tower at the time with Sheriff JS and he remarked the pilot should have bolted. When we inspected the aircraft shortly after, the cable steel coupler had gone through a major part (no 14?) of the rear end and the whole lot would have come off if he had tried to get airborne. I do believe the front end was eventually stitched to the rear end of XV 436 "E" which overshot Coningsby's runway (sans crew) earlier to make a new airframe although I am not sure - just one of those stories.

Just to put the record straight, No 29 were the first F4s in the Falklands. OC Fadge went on 17 Oct 1982 to receive the heroes welcome and I went the next day as a pair with Jim, Budgie and Laurie. After 8.30 hrs flying and 14 tankers later, and after several practice approaches, I remember OC Ops telling us to keep 93% to stay in the RAG and we were thinking what a silly bug!er. What we did not realise was that it was a Navy type arrestor (an A RAG) and it was like hitting a brick wall compared to what we were used to. A few half eaten sandwiches migrated from the rear cockpit to the front. So he was right after all.

Oh and by the way, despite what has been said, CM was NOT there at the time (or at Ascension immediately beforehand - he was in the original detachment there much earlier when the war was on I think). He came to FI when we left to go home in December 82 ISTR.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 19:08
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XV436

Bsweeper - XV436 never flew again it was taken i think to the range at Foulness - the one at Stanley was rebuilt - somewhere I've some shots of 436 in the field it was totally written off =
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