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Adskanster ,I am afraid that time has deleted my memory of who was in the 2 Phantoms in #468. All I can tell you is that I flew on 5 and 6 August 1970 with Mr Peter Stevenson, an MOD photographer. On the 5th we flew along the Rhine and on the 6th we flew down south in 4 ATAF. I think the photo was from the second sortie. I am glad that you got a decent colour pic. PM me if you want more details. # 473 I remember the aux air doors causing problems in the early days when we visited non
Phantom bases as every one who saw the aircraft thought that we had a loose panel. Re #480 - I certainly heard rumours of this practice but never knew of anyone who actually managed it. The other grin we had from the Marines was instituted by a Marine Major Robinson who had perfected a manoeuvre in Vietnam. The idea was turn through 180 and get to a fighting velocity. The Robinson Loop started at cruise and one selected reheat, inverted the aircraft and started to pull through. At 420 the aircraft was loaded and at 450 it was possible to peg 8.5 g. At 420 - 450 it was necessary to start rolling out into a steep diving turn and 8.5 was maintained through the 180. The aircraft was rolled out having lost a couple of thousand feet at 480 knots. Anyone remember these?
Phantom bases as every one who saw the aircraft thought that we had a loose panel. Re #480 - I certainly heard rumours of this practice but never knew of anyone who actually managed it. The other grin we had from the Marines was instituted by a Marine Major Robinson who had perfected a manoeuvre in Vietnam. The idea was turn through 180 and get to a fighting velocity. The Robinson Loop started at cruise and one selected reheat, inverted the aircraft and started to pull through. At 420 the aircraft was loaded and at 450 it was possible to peg 8.5 g. At 420 - 450 it was necessary to start rolling out into a steep diving turn and 8.5 was maintained through the 180. The aircraft was rolled out having lost a couple of thousand feet at 480 knots. Anyone remember these?
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Lets have some FAA F4 pics. Must be some more out there......
Adskanster ,I am afraid that time has deleted my memory of who was in the 2 Phantoms in #468. All I can tell you is that I flew on 5 and 6 August 1970 with Mr Peter Stevenson, an MOD photographer. On the 5th we flew along the Rhine and on the 6th we flew down south in 4 ATAF. I think the photo was from the second sortie. I am glad that you got a decent colour pic. PM me if you want more details. # 473 I remember the aux air doors causing problems in the early days when we visited non
Phantom bases as every one who saw the aircraft thought that we had a loose panel. Re #480 - I certainly heard rumours of this practice but never knew of anyone who actually managed it. The other grin we had from the Marines was instituted by a Marine Major Robinson who had perfected a manoeuvre in Vietnam. The idea was turn through 180 and get to a fighting velocity. The Robinson Loop started at cruise and one selected reheat, inverted the aircraft and started to pull through. At 420 the aircraft was loaded and at 450 it was possible to peg 8.5 g. At 420 - 450 it was necessary to start rolling out into a steep diving turn and 8.5 was maintained through the 180. The aircraft was rolled out having lost a couple of thousand feet at 480 knots. Anyone remember these?
Phantom bases as every one who saw the aircraft thought that we had a loose panel. Re #480 - I certainly heard rumours of this practice but never knew of anyone who actually managed it. The other grin we had from the Marines was instituted by a Marine Major Robinson who had perfected a manoeuvre in Vietnam. The idea was turn through 180 and get to a fighting velocity. The Robinson Loop started at cruise and one selected reheat, inverted the aircraft and started to pull through. At 420 the aircraft was loaded and at 450 it was possible to peg 8.5 g. At 420 - 450 it was necessary to start rolling out into a steep diving turn and 8.5 was maintained through the 180. The aircraft was rolled out having lost a couple of thousand feet at 480 knots. Anyone remember these?
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Adskanster ,I am afraid that time has deleted my memory of who was in the 2 Phantoms in #468. All I can tell you is that I flew on 5 and 6 August 1970 with Mr Peter Stevenson, an MOD photographer. On the 5th we flew along the Rhine and on the 6th we flew down south in 4 ATAF. I think the photo was from the second sortie. I am glad that you got a decent colour pic. PM me if you want more details.
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I certainly remember the 'Robinson Loop', Charlie Juliet, having instructed in its' execution from the rear seat on 228 OCU. We taught it for a few years in the early 70's until the pieces of wing panel started parting company. Close scrutiny of the newest copy of the R to S revealed that we had been exceeding the rolling G limits by a fair margin!
Can't say I was disappointed at not teaching it any more - it was more than a bit tricky to stay awake in the pit whilst someone else was pulling 8.5G.
Can't say I was disappointed at not teaching it any more - it was more than a bit tricky to stay awake in the pit whilst someone else was pulling 8.5G.
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I might be +24 Hrs on this one ... But thought there might be some interest 
The image comes from the Telegraph CS dated 3rd Oct 1976. Whilst the cockpit names may not reflect the crews actually flying in the pic ... at a guess it looks like a Lt J. I. Nocton (or Mocton) and Lt. A. T. Davies on 006 ... not able to make out 005 names.
Image Credit : Telegraph Magazine
Anyone know the crews or would like to own up to being the crews
Best ...
Coff.
The image comes from the Telegraph CS dated 3rd Oct 1976. Whilst the cockpit names may not reflect the crews actually flying in the pic ... at a guess it looks like a Lt J. I. Nocton (or Mocton) and Lt. A. T. Davies on 006 ... not able to make out 005 names.
Image Credit : Telegraph Magazine
Anyone know the crews or would like to own up to being the crews
Best ...
Coff.
I'll try........
I might be +24 Hrs on this one ... But thought there might be some interest
The image comes from the Telegraph CS dated 3rd Oct 1976. Whilst the cockpit names may not reflect the crews actually flying in the pic ... at a guess it looks like a Lt J. I. Nocton (or Mocton) and Lt. A. T. Davies on 006 ... not able to make out 005 names.
Image Credit : Telegraph Magazine
Anyone know the crews or would like to own up to being the crews
Best ...
Coff.
The image comes from the Telegraph CS dated 3rd Oct 1976. Whilst the cockpit names may not reflect the crews actually flying in the pic ... at a guess it looks like a Lt J. I. Nocton (or Mocton) and Lt. A. T. Davies on 006 ... not able to make out 005 names.
Image Credit : Telegraph Magazine
Anyone know the crews or would like to own up to being the crews
Best ...
Coff.
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A bit more background while TN follows up his crew lead ...
006 of 892 NAS was XV589. Unfortunately this was the aircraft that crashed in June 1980 flying an approach to RAF Alconbury when the radome opened and folded back. She was with 111 Squadron at the time ... thankfully both crew ejected safely. XV589 then ended her days on the RAF Coningsby Fire Dump
I'm not able, as yet, to tie up 005 to a Serial Number ... Perhaps our good friend Rhino Power can help ?
006 of 892 NAS was XV589. Unfortunately this was the aircraft that crashed in June 1980 flying an approach to RAF Alconbury when the radome opened and folded back. She was with 111 Squadron at the time ... thankfully both crew ejected safely. XV589 then ended her days on the RAF Coningsby Fire Dump
I'm not able, as yet, to tie up 005 to a Serial Number ... Perhaps our good friend Rhino Power can help ?
This might be her:
XV592 at NAS Cecil Field 26 Feb 1975 archive Günter Grondstein.
Or this:
XV589/005 Lands after its last RN Flight. The RN delivers its F-4Ks to RAF St Athan for handing over to the inventory of the RAF. Archive John Hale 27th November 1978.
http://www.phantomf4k.org/
XV592 at NAS Cecil Field 26 Feb 1975 archive Günter Grondstein.
Or this:
XV589/005 Lands after its last RN Flight. The RN delivers its F-4Ks to RAF St Athan for handing over to the inventory of the RAF. Archive John Hale 27th November 1978.
http://www.phantomf4k.org/
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Coff, I've seen XV587, XV589 and XV592 carrying the 005 modex, the dates on the photos and the date of publication of your picture suggest XV592, as noted by, Minnie Burner, as the likely candidate, but that's not 100%...
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I might be +24 Hrs on this one ... But thought there might be some interest
The image comes from the Telegraph CS dated 3rd Oct 1976. Whilst the cockpit names may not reflect the crews actually flying in the pic ... at a guess it looks like a Lt J. I. Nocton (or Mocton) and Lt. A. T. Davies on 006 ... not able to make out 005 names.
Image Credit : Telegraph Magazine
Anyone know the crews or would like to own up to being the crews
Best ...
Coff.
The image comes from the Telegraph CS dated 3rd Oct 1976. Whilst the cockpit names may not reflect the crews actually flying in the pic ... at a guess it looks like a Lt J. I. Nocton (or Mocton) and Lt. A. T. Davies on 006 ... not able to make out 005 names.
Image Credit : Telegraph Magazine
Anyone know the crews or would like to own up to being the crews
Best ...
Coff.
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Welcome Blaenffynnon ...
Many thanks for your contribution. Our good friend Tarantonight has a lead he is currently following up with respect to Lt. Davies.
Do you know if 'Nutty' Walters (sorry for any innocent impertinence) and/or Lt. Hooton are contactable ? ... it would be really great if they could join us on the thread and perhaps fill in a bit of background
Best regards ...
Coff.
PS. TN ... Possibly our first 'Eureka' moment
Many thanks for your contribution. Our good friend Tarantonight has a lead he is currently following up with respect to Lt. Davies.
Do you know if 'Nutty' Walters (sorry for any innocent impertinence) and/or Lt. Hooton are contactable ? ... it would be really great if they could join us on the thread and perhaps fill in a bit of background
Best regards ...
Coff.
PS. TN ... Possibly our first 'Eureka' moment
