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RAF Careers office tells people "bar is being lowered" for entry.

Old 25th Apr 2014, 12:54
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RAF Careers office tells people "bar is being lowered" for entry.

Am I right to think this is an idiotic way of presenting news about recruitment?

From a different forum, one aimed at students:
After a long period where RAF jobs seemed to be unavailable and you were more than likely to be told your chosen career was closed for application, most of the RAF branches and trades are open and in some areas the RAF is desperate to fill training slots immediately. What does this mean? Well it does mean that the bar is lowered for certain jobs and that you can expect a fast track process through the selection machine. While it does not mean that the RAF will let anyone in, you may have something that can be waived to allow your application to progress. If you are not sure, ask at your nearest AFCO rather than the Careers Information Line.
My problem is specifically the bit in bold.

How the hell do you hope to encourage high quality applicants if this is how you advertise the vacancies?

This is supposedly posted by someone working at the Leeds AFCO. Can anyone on the inside have a word?
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 13:28
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Having Googled some key words from your extract to find the original post, I found that it went on to say:

If you are looking at the following jobs, you can expect priority treatment and a better chance of success:

AEROSPACE BATTLE MANAGER
COMPUTER TECHNICIAN
HR SPECIALIST
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER
CATERING AND HOSPITALITY SPECIALIST
VEHICLE TECHNICIAN
Presumably, in old money that translates as:

Fighter Controller
Ground Radio Techie
God knows - but something really rather blunt
Air Trafficker
Cook
Mechanic
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 13:42
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Surely though, the bar is moved every year for every trade, depending on the applicants to jobs ratio?

i,e, if 1,000 people apply each year to be pilots and last year, 10 were accepted as opposed to 200 needed for this year, then clearly, those applying this year will have a better chance of success. Hypothetical figures obviously.

Likewise, if for example you wanted to be a 'gunner' and nothing else, then you may have to wait 18 months for a vacancy. However, if you wanted to be a HR Specialist (Admin Clerk) or a Hospitality Specialist (Steward), then providing you have the 15 Grade A 'O' levels basic level of state education, you can start tomorrow - because the RAF is desparately short.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 13:42
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HR :- Human Resources/ (Personnel that was?)
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 14:13
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I thought HR specialist is Hormone-Replacement specialist to cater for all the transgender recruits the RAF seems keen to recruit these days.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 14:31
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Surely though, the bar is moved every year for every trade, depending on the applicants to jobs ratio?
It is, and I have no issue with that concept. However, the way something reads when it says "the bar is being lowered" doesn't necessarily connect the dots.



And don't call me Shirley, etc.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 14:48
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The acute shortage I am told, is in IT Techs. In short people who fix / install computers / networks or have anything to do with computers including software. ( or should that be soft wear!)

Compare the salary and career prospects of a civilian equivelent, even civil Servants and it does not take biblical brains to work out that this is a lose-lose scenarion. Not least due to the people prepared to bite the bullet are going to be the same who would not 'make-it' in the civil sector.

Look at the other trade requirements, and all have transferable skills that are better paid outside of the military fence. Pay back time methinks from degrading the quality of life and job security that was once the mantra by which the armed forces existed.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 15:07
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H.R.
Was at a routine morning management meeting some years ago when the usual " Human Remains" item was thankfully absent, but a strange wild-eyed peroxide blonde creature was gibbering away on a cellphone.

On being pressed , she announced that she was acting as H.R. "Locum". ()
The meeting then went on for three times a long as normal, due to persistent irrelevant and inane questions and "input" from said individual.

Yeah ,
Sure.
P.S. And no , I wasn't chairing.

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Old 25th Apr 2014, 15:11
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"degrading the quality of life and job security that was once the mantra by which the armed forces existed."

damn!

I always thought it was defending us..................
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 15:31
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"the mantra by which" is not the same as "the reason for".
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 15:42
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presumably HR types are being hired as we are short of live targets?

Bring back Personnel!!!
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 16:07
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What it means is that having certain disabilities will not rule you out of certain roles i.e being blind wouldn't mean you can't be a Nav, some pilots will say it would make no difference.

(apologise to any blind people)
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 16:52
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With more females being recruited these days, then average heights of personnel will have quickly reduced. It therefore makes sense to lower the bars in all messes thereby allowing everyone the opportunity to lean back on it and tell war stories properly with lots of hand waving without the possibility of knocking the glasses off.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 17:04
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with lots of hand waving without the possibility of knocking the glasses off.
You mean they allowing people in with glasses ?
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 17:10
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"You mean they allowing people in with glasses ?"

Only those who make a spectacle of themselves in the new lower bar!
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 20:45
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'Human resources' always sounds to me like some vile discussion in a Nazi concentration camp...

"Ja - ve can use hair...und gold teeth...und even make soap. Much resources can ve obtaining be....."

Why is everyone so intent on inventing silly new wanque-speak titles for traditional RAF terms?
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 20:56
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Probably because your "traditional RAF terms" aren't always very descriptive of what the job is now? Times and jobs change, BEagle. Traditions are great, but the forces also have to move with the times.

Your translation of the perfectly fair descriptor "Computer Technician" as "Ground Radio Techie" sums up your loss of contact with what some of the the trades of today actually do. The advanced networked systems of 2014 don't need "Ground Radio Techies", they need computer network specialists. Just an example.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 21:36
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Good example LL, but Human Resources.......give me strength. Even the daft civvie organisations dropped that one years ago.
I am not a resource I'm a person, so let person(nel) deal with me.
Beags is spot on with his concentration camp comparison.
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 21:53
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You mean they allowing people in with glasses ?
On the one occasion I managed to wangle a trip in a Lightning T4, just as we were about to do pre-takeoff checks, the pilot reached into a pocket and produced a pair of specs, which he proceeded to put on.

Shattered my illusions about steely-eyed fighter pilots! Of course, even though I was only a mere nav, racedo, I didn't need specs myself

Still, it was a great trip
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Old 25th Apr 2014, 22:15
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Human Resources....... Even the daft civvie organisations dropped that one years ago.
Do you see it that way Romeo? I must admit that I never liked the phrase "HR" either but it's been knocking around for 2 decades now and (at least as far as I can see) it still seems to be in use at every major civvy company that I come into contact with.

I work for a major airline and we use the term HR, and we're not alone in that. Can you give examples of companies that don't use it? And what do they use instead? I'm genuinely interested by the way, it's not an attempt to undermine or disprove, just not heard of a move away from the term.
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