RAF Careers office tells people "bar is being lowered" for entry.
just as we were about to do pre-takeoff checks, the pilot reached into a pocket and produced a pair of specs, which he proceeded to put on.
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I have had many run-ins over the years with HR/Employee Services/Payroll (That's right we have all three in our American owned large Aerospace company). Admittedly when I was still in there weren't the draconian budget restraints that are now in place, but I always found that the personal P&A clerk and command chain up to Chf Clk was a system that worked quite well and if you lucked out with a good clerk they were worth their weight in gold and would make sure that you claimed for all allowances that you were entitled to, which could be very hidden that you would never normally know about. It was as if the clerks were actually there to help you against the system. With the advent of JPA, no-one knew what could be claimed for and therefore money was saved through entitled allowances either not being claimed or the rules and constraints made so difficult that the majority just gave up and didn't claim their full entitlements. Jump across the fence to civvy street and it is my experience that HR et al is a job creation scheme for the unwashed and uneducated who are purely there to be face of the company to the workforce and to actively screw said employees in favour of the company. When challenged with logic and their own rules, they cave. What I have never seen is any accountability for their multiple srcews ups and failures.
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I have had many run-ins over the years with HR/Employee Services/Payroll (That's right we have all three in our American owned large Aerospace company). Admittedly when I was still in there weren't the draconian budget restraints that are now in place, but I always found that the personal P&A clerk and command chain up to Chf Clk was a system that worked quite well and if you lucked out with a good clerk they were worth their weight in gold and would make sure that you claimed for all allowances that you were entitled to, which could be very hidden that you would never normally know about. It was as if the clerks were actually there to help you against the system. With the advent of JPA, no-one knew what could be claimed for and therefore money was saved through entitled allowances either not being claimed or the rules and constraints made so difficult that the majority just gave up and didn't claim their full entitlements. Jump across the fence to civvy street and it is my experience that HR et al is a job creation scheme for the unwashed and uneducated who are purely there to be face of the company to the workforce and to actively screw said employees in favour of the company. When challenged with logic and their own rules, they cave. What I have never seen is any accountability for their multiple srcews ups and failures.
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I left Flt Ops Warton in 2001 and the personnel dept saw me off. My wife left Sainsbury's as Personnel Manager albeit some15 years ago. So my knowledge is dated and therefore possibly biased.
When I was working Companies were said to change to the HR tag when contracting and reassume Personnel when hiring. Dont know if that's even partially accurate but it was the perception.by many..
Should check things before opening mouth......however I really believed the HR tag was dead.!!
When I was working Companies were said to change to the HR tag when contracting and reassume Personnel when hiring. Dont know if that's even partially accurate but it was the perception.by many..
Should check things before opening mouth......however I really believed the HR tag was dead.!!
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Baffles me why anyone would want to join. Or stay in, for that matter.
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LateArmLive. Great point! Can't wait for the response!
Muppet...thread starter...so is your quote just hearsay, or can you substantiate? Please
Muppet...thread starter...so is your quote just hearsay, or can you substantiate? Please
What is in a name?
The purpose of the OP has now been lost and this thread has degenerated along the lines of 'when there was an Air Force...'. Whilst I enjoy banter along with most who continue to serve, some of these posts simply demonstrate a sad mix of ignorance and insult. Whther we like it or not, the RAF has to move with the times to continue to attract high quality recruits in all branches and trades. Names change reflecting that jobs change; Navigators are no longer called navigators because, well, they no longer navigate (cue quip 'but they never did...').
But to focus on one or two trades - such as HR, to use modern terminology - and imply that they are useless, is just offensive and says more about the poster than iit does of the hard working guys and girls who continue to keep the RAF operating in an environment many of those who has left the Service would not even begin to recognise.
But to focus on one or two trades - such as HR, to use modern terminology - and imply that they are useless, is just offensive and says more about the poster than iit does of the hard working guys and girls who continue to keep the RAF operating in an environment many of those who has left the Service would not even begin to recognise.
Navigators are no longer called navigators because, well, they no longer navigate (cue quip 'but they never did...')
Cue quip that perhaps the Royal Air Force should have stuck with Observers - of the passing scene.....
Returning to thread, I note that many major US companies have a CPO - not Chief Petty Officer, but Chief Personnel Officer - to go along with the CEO, COO, COO etc.
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Cue quip that perhaps the Royal Air Force should have stuck with Observers - of the passing scene.....
Returning to thread, I note that many major US companies have a CPO - not Chief Petty Officer, but Chief Personnel Officer - to go along with the CEO, COO, COO etc.
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While ever the corporate world allows OUR HR resources to believe that an organisation exists to service THEIR requirements and not the other way round, they will continue to perpetuate their obstructive, bureaucratic practices.
The term "Personnel" is more appropriate because it removes the distinction between the "doers" and the facilitators. (or revenue generation vs cost of sales)
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The term "Personnel" is more appropriate because it removes the distinction between the "doers" and the facilitators. (or revenue generation vs cost of sales)
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HR/PONTI/BLUNTY. ETC
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I guess we have all met the BLUNTY who tries to help and the one that doesn't . The one good thing about JPA ( probably the only one) was that the rules were all online so the claimant could see exactly what the entitlement was. I took great pleasure in pointing out to auditors and BFM at the secret Oxon base what their rules actually said (and in some cases having to explain to the untermench what the words actually meant). The main problem with the JPA rules seemed to be the hidden emails that they relied on to diddle you out of what the rules said you could have. A threat of a service complaint usually put them in line.
I guess we have all met the BLUNTY who tries to help and the one that doesn't . The one good thing about JPA ( probably the only one) was that the rules were all online so the claimant could see exactly what the entitlement was. I took great pleasure in pointing out to auditors and BFM at the secret Oxon base what their rules actually said (and in some cases having to explain to the untermench what the words actually meant). The main problem with the JPA rules seemed to be the hidden emails that they relied on to diddle you out of what the rules said you could have. A threat of a service complaint usually put them in line.
Human resources as a term has always said to me that the employer sees the people who work for it as just that: a resource, to be used, abused and exploited like any other resource.
I used to be a nurse in the NHS, an organisation that certainly took the concept to its extreme. Although I used to sarcastically describe myself as an item of self-propelling mobile medical equipment, just to fit in with the ethos.
I used to be a nurse in the NHS, an organisation that certainly took the concept to its extreme. Although I used to sarcastically describe myself as an item of self-propelling mobile medical equipment, just to fit in with the ethos.
I was told that quite recently, a year or two ago, an Ops Wing on a FJ base was referring to the resident FJ Sqns as its "customers".
If it was actually true....
If it was actually true....
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The acute shortage I am told, is in IT Techs. In short people who fix / install computers / networks or have anything to do with computers including software. ( or should that be soft wear!)
I have worked in IT since I left in 2003. Currently I hold a consultancy position in a software company in charge of recruitment and personal development.
tldr...I know a shedload about people and computers.
The IT is undergoing a seismic shift towards mobile development and cloud based software.
Nobody (with any noodle whatsoever) is going into hardware/networking...Everybody is doing software degrees.
These people look, think and act like geeks and nerds (albeit highly intelligent, creative and increasingly well-paid geeks and nerds).
These people do not wear uniforms, follow orders and fight people...ever.
You see the problem?