Voyager Plummets (Merged)
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What's a deliberate error?
Beagle you've repeated your claim about normal law envelope being exceeded without saying why. Ditto for your postulation of. a LHS side stick fault. This may be the case on both counts but nothing so far publicly aired supports such specifics. Are you speculating or basing on an inside information, ?
Beagle you've repeated your claim about normal law envelope being exceeded without saying why. Ditto for your postulation of. a LHS side stick fault. This may be the case on both counts but nothing so far publicly aired supports such specifics. Are you speculating or basing on an inside information, ?
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Surely the risk of the event was classed as negligible before it happened?
Last edited by VinRouge; 23rd Feb 2014 at 14:58.
. But, it seems the definition of "negligible risk" is somewhat vague in the "private raf"? 
So is it ok to leak information regarding an ongoing service inquiry to a friend so he can post it on pprune for you?
How very professional.
The facts will be published in the SI, in the mean time the jet is back flying because people who's job it is to make such a decision have done so based on facts, not leaked rumours.
Time to move on perhaps?
How very professional.
The facts will be published in the SI, in the mean time the jet is back flying because people who's job it is to make such a decision have done so based on facts, not leaked rumours.
Time to move on perhaps?
AF:-
That will be a first then!
The facts will be published in the SI
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All this 'Private RAF' banter is wrongly implying that ATrS have some sort of influence over the decision to fly the Mil Voyager again.
AOC 2 Group decided to ground the fleet and AOC 2 Group decided to allow the aircraft to fly again. The MAAIB are investigating and the event is the subject of a full service investigation. Seems to me the that the RAF are pulling the strings in this case?
AOC 2 Group decided to ground the fleet and AOC 2 Group decided to allow the aircraft to fly again. The MAAIB are investigating and the event is the subject of a full service investigation. Seems to me the that the RAF are pulling the strings in this case?
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Arty Fufkin wrote:
Apart from the rather inadequate news release on your....their website, I don't think that the company has come in for any significant criticism, Arty? Why should they have? That'd be like Avis being criticised because a hire car they'd provided in good faith had an unknown manufacturer's steering system fault.
I'll freely admit that I consider PFI to be a completely ridiculous way of providing core AAR assets, although it might be just about adequate for mere trash-hauling AT provision. Just as MFTS is a crazy way of providing military flight training. Nevertheless, ATrS are contracted to run with this PFI nonsense.
If there are any ar$es which deserve to be kicked, I suspect they're elsewhere....
It seems to me that some folk on this forum have a bit of an axe to grind with Airtanker.
I'll freely admit that I consider PFI to be a completely ridiculous way of providing core AAR assets, although it might be just about adequate for mere trash-hauling AT provision. Just as MFTS is a crazy way of providing military flight training. Nevertheless, ATrS are contracted to run with this PFI nonsense.
If there are any ar$es which deserve to be kicked, I suspect they're elsewhere....
BEagle, yes very much so. I want to understand why you made your 'conditional sentence.' You seem to have preceded it with your own verdict after a trial by innuendo.
You now seem to believe that AirTanker are at no fault ( so it can't possibly be the commercial pressure you implied) and the fault must lie somewhere else. You seem to have that somewhere else in mind. So, go on, tell us all your conspiracy. There only seems to be The RAF in the form of AOC 2GP, the MOD and Airbus, or is there another villain hiding in the dark, you seem to have something in mind so who is it to blame BEagle? Come on, stop beating about the bush, spit it out.
You now seem to believe that AirTanker are at no fault ( so it can't possibly be the commercial pressure you implied) and the fault must lie somewhere else. You seem to have that somewhere else in mind. So, go on, tell us all your conspiracy. There only seems to be The RAF in the form of AOC 2GP, the MOD and Airbus, or is there another villain hiding in the dark, you seem to have something in mind so who is it to blame BEagle? Come on, stop beating about the bush, spit it out.