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Remembrance Day: vicar refuses to wear poppy because it 'advocates war' - Telegraph
Not only an insult to all that have died in wars, but an insult to the country as a whole.
Not only an insult to all that have died in wars, but an insult to the country as a whole.
She's not the only one...BBC NEWS | UK | TV's Snow rejects 'poppy fascism'
And that's the problem - for some the poppy is less about rememberance and more about social conformity.
And that's the problem - for some the poppy is less about rememberance and more about social conformity.
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I'm not saying he or she is right. I'm taking the neutral ground. But maybe he's one of those that thinks it glorifies war and symbolises 16.5 million deaths as acceptable?
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That's about as intellectually sound as banning the Bible because it
advocates crucifiction.
Some vicar!
And how exactly does the bible 'advocate' crucifixion anyhow?
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I wear my poppy with pride but it does seem to have become a 'must have' fashion statement by TV presenters and the like, as Jon Snow has highlighted.
Saw plenty of shoppers ignoring the two elderly ex-servicemen, selling poppies outside my local supermarket
Saw plenty of shoppers ignoring the two elderly ex-servicemen, selling poppies outside my local supermarket
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Lighten up chaps - she may decide at the last minute to wear one; after all she is of American stock and they arrived late for both main events that 11/11 honours (yes I know it is remembrance for all those that gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country, but WW's 1 & 2 are still uppermost in most people's mind at this time of year).
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The last time I was ever on TV around this time, there was a bucket of "expensive" poppies sitting there for those who had forgotten, or who chose not to wear them. So full marks to Mr Snow for choosing not to wear anyone's symbol du jour in public.
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The vicar where I last commemorated the wars was a Texan. He wore a poppy but the service did not sit happily with him.
I also attended a commemoration service in Guernsey last month. Our regular clergyman was away that week and a different, older, vicar took the service. Present were a number of survivors from the wartime action but without exception the hymns were all dirges with none of the old ones that would be known to irregular church goers. Most notable omission was 'For those in peril . . . '
Some times the clergy ought tend to their flock and not push their own peripheral beliefs.
I also attended a commemoration service in Guernsey last month. Our regular clergyman was away that week and a different, older, vicar took the service. Present were a number of survivors from the wartime action but without exception the hymns were all dirges with none of the old ones that would be known to irregular church goers. Most notable omission was 'For those in peril . . . '
Some times the clergy ought tend to their flock and not push their own peripheral beliefs.
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I was under the impression that it symbolises life returning, as the poppies still grow in Flanders (personally saw them earlier this year next to Waterloo before visiting Ypres and Tyne Cot), but also as a "niemals vergessen" so we never let ourselves rush blindly in to the kind of mass slaughter that happened before.
I was incredibly moved last year outside Horse Guards seeing a few children marching with veterans, sadly wearing medals on their right breast for their missing fathers.
But...if folks want to misinterpret the symbology...it is their right. Let's not forget that the Spirit if Saint Louis had a swastika painted inside its prop spinner!
I was incredibly moved last year outside Horse Guards seeing a few children marching with veterans, sadly wearing medals on their right breast for their missing fathers.
But...if folks want to misinterpret the symbology...it is their right. Let's not forget that the Spirit if Saint Louis had a swastika painted inside its prop spinner!
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I respect the right of "The Reverend PJ" not to wear a Poppy. I do not respect her complete misunderstanding of the situation, or what Poppy represents ... and as she now lives in the UK she ought to get her act sorted out.
Last month we delivered a few Poppies to our friends in the USA. They understood what it is about. Indeed, the US has picked up on the scheme (I'll post a pic later when I'm not on the iPad - please excuse the Bear, he works for a military charity in UK).
We WILL remember them ... For what they gave for us, who did not have to pay that price.
Glorify war? How the <insert expletive here> do you do that? Stupid woman.
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Last month we delivered a few Poppies to our friends in the USA. They understood what it is about. Indeed, the US has picked up on the scheme (I'll post a pic later when I'm not on the iPad - please excuse the Bear, he works for a military charity in UK).
We WILL remember them ... For what they gave for us, who did not have to pay that price.
Glorify war? How the <insert expletive here> do you do that? Stupid woman.
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Yup. Wounded in action too!
Story and Videos here >>> Cpl Horsa ? Afghanistan 2008 | Holidays 4 Heroes
... and the aftermath
Story and Videos here >>> Cpl Horsa ? Afghanistan 2008 | Holidays 4 Heroes
... and the aftermath
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