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Had this vicar bothered to remove her blinkers and take a close look at the cult she belongs to, and preaches on behalf of, she would find that the symbol she wears round her neck represents the best part of two thousand years of slaughter,
pillage, rape and corruption of the very worst sort.
Any qualms she has about wearing a poppy should pale into insignificance.
pillage, rape and corruption of the very worst sort.
Any qualms she has about wearing a poppy should pale into insignificance.
Utter drivel. An oft quoted argument of the school/student debating chamber and one which is intellectually vacant. Man's desire for power, position, wealth and control was behind the events which you so readily blame on Christianity. Should you remove your own blinkers and consider the history of the West and in particular the development of Europe, intellectually, scientifically, industrially and culturally, then you would find it owes much if not all to what you ignorantly refer to as a cult. But hey, you are free to speak your mind - another tradition embed in law derived from Christian values.
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Some interesting replies,
Everyone has the right not to wear a poppy, if we force one person to wear one what have we become?
As to the cross, generally I do not wear one.
I carry one in my wallet as a reminder of what my saviour has done for me, it does not protect me from harm or guarantee me anything, it is simply a reminder of the greatness of My Lord's love for me.
Everyone has the right not to wear a poppy, if we force one person to wear one what have we become?
As to the cross, generally I do not wear one.
I carry one in my wallet as a reminder of what my saviour has done for me, it does not protect me from harm or guarantee me anything, it is simply a reminder of the greatness of My Lord's love for me.
As for so called "Christian values", it is the height of arrogance for them to claim these values for themselves when they are diffused throughout the civilised world.
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Thanks for that. Totally agree.
One of the wonderful things about our “free” society that allows free speech is this little statement.
“It is better to be thought a fool than remove all doubt by opening your mouth”
When you make a statement to stand on your principals it would seem wise to be sure of what you are actually talking about
Thanks for that. Totally agree.
One of the wonderful things about our “free” society that allows free speech is this little statement.
“It is better to be thought a fool than remove all doubt by opening your mouth”
When you make a statement to stand on your principals it would seem wise to be sure of what you are actually talking about
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I can't think of a War the wasn't hi-jacked by the religious divide and more often than not, started by it. I can think of lots that were stopped by the people the poppy aims to help - wearing it isn't going to stop that. Strong hearts and true conviction will.
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The Soldier: - By Charles M. Province
It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the student organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag.
To all the brave men and women who have dedicated or given their lives
to protecting this country and its freedoms:
Thank you.
It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the student organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag.
To all the brave men and women who have dedicated or given their lives
to protecting this country and its freedoms:
Thank you.
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The poppy does not advocate or glorify war. It simply mourns the consequences.
I am old. I wear the poppy for the family who kept the shop at the end of our street, who perished in an instant when a doodlebug chose them instead of me. I wear it for Uncle Alan, whom I never knew, and who disappeared in his Mosquito over Germany.
And, yes, I wear it for Hans, and Dimitri, and Bruce and Tex; all of those who never came home.
I am old. I wear the poppy for the family who kept the shop at the end of our street, who perished in an instant when a doodlebug chose them instead of me. I wear it for Uncle Alan, whom I never knew, and who disappeared in his Mosquito over Germany.
And, yes, I wear it for Hans, and Dimitri, and Bruce and Tex; all of those who never came home.
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Every year this comes up, and it is always some knob, looking for a little bit of attention. I generally don't buy my poppy until the day before Remembrance Sunday, don't ask me why, I just do. I don't go about my daily business looking to see who is and isn't wearing a poppy. I do get the feeling however, that the meaning is being lost, and this is now becoming a bit of a social convention, where people must be seen to be doing the right thing, rather than thinking what it represents.
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where people must be seen to be doing the right thing
I would wager much that - for example - every couple on "Strictly Come Dancing" on 9th November will sport poppies ......
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Utter bollocks. I am free to speak my mind because the power of these cults to suppress it has been destroyed. They were very good at burning alive those of us who were "off message" and dared to stand up to the tyranny and corruption they practised.
As for so called "Christian values", it is the height of arrogance for them to claim these values for themselves when they are diffused throughout the civilised world.
As for so called "Christian values", it is the height of arrogance for them to claim these values for themselves when they are diffused throughout the civilised world.
Like I said, you have freedom of speech and thought. Shame you are informed more by Dan Brown. Looks like we shall disagree then. I'm happy with that
As usual at this time of year, I put some change into the Poppy Appeal box at my local. And, as usual, I didn't take a poppy. Many don't need to show their support any more than they need a RNLI/Cancer/Children in Need/Alzheimers etc badge of donation. They don't need white feathers either.
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Wars have been fought since time immemorial, they are part of the human make-up. We have fought over food, living-space, oil, spices, minerals, water, insults, religion, ideology, good and evil (as perceived by either side) the list is endless.
To single out one specific religious faith and blame centuries of warfare upon it
smacks of someone working to an agenda. I wonder what that might be?
I personally wear a red poppy (based of course on the poppies that grew on
killing fields of France) around Remembrance Day weekend. I don't do it to make any kind of statement or because I feel in any way compelled, but simply to form a personal link with those that gave so much. Yes, I do remember you. Yes, I am thinking about you. Yes, at that special time (11th hour of the 11th day
of the 11th month) I show you the respect you so richly deserve.
I'll do so until I die. It's the least I can do.
To single out one specific religious faith and blame centuries of warfare upon it
smacks of someone working to an agenda. I wonder what that might be?
I personally wear a red poppy (based of course on the poppies that grew on
killing fields of France) around Remembrance Day weekend. I don't do it to make any kind of statement or because I feel in any way compelled, but simply to form a personal link with those that gave so much. Yes, I do remember you. Yes, I am thinking about you. Yes, at that special time (11th hour of the 11th day
of the 11th month) I show you the respect you so richly deserve.
I'll do so until I die. It's the least I can do.
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As usual at this time of year, I put some change into the Poppy Appeal box at my local. And, as usual, I didn't take a poppy. Many don't need to show their support any more than they need a RNLI/Cancer/Children in Need/Alzheimers etc badge of donation. They don't need white feathers either.
All good points, but another thought has occured to me (yes I know, that's two this year already!)
Folks wear the poppy. Other than a show of support, sign of support or a badge of conformation, it serves another, possibly unintended purpose (or maybe not). Marketing, I guess. If people feel pressured into buying and wearing a poppy, they are pressured into donating to the RBL. Great, eh? Everyone's a winner.
Folks wear the poppy. Other than a show of support, sign of support or a badge of conformation, it serves another, possibly unintended purpose (or maybe not). Marketing, I guess. If people feel pressured into buying and wearing a poppy, they are pressured into donating to the RBL. Great, eh? Everyone's a winner.
I wear a poppy about this time of year. Not specifically to remember all those who died in the Great War or in WW2 but to remember the guys I served with who are sadly no longer with us.
For goodness sake do not turn this into some political argument orchestrated by the London University Students Union. Nobody is forced to give and wear a poppy just like they are not forced to give and wear a pink wristband!
It's a day of national rememberance and long may it remain!
For goodness sake do not turn this into some political argument orchestrated by the London University Students Union. Nobody is forced to give and wear a poppy just like they are not forced to give and wear a pink wristband!
It's a day of national rememberance and long may it remain!
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Ah the Royal Legiron, talking of which I have to say that the Aussie branch of same (RSL) puts ours to shame. Every evening at 1800 they all stand in silence and salute the fallen, and every man and his dog does so, civvy or ex services. Quite moving.
You are right, Dave, the days of the old legion branch where old blokes in blazers would stand around re-fighting old battles are long gone.
I am secretary of a club which rents a room in the local legion branch for its monthly meetings. Since the beginning of this year, for reasons that I do not understand the club is no longer known as the Royal British Legion, but The ***** Club, although it is still administerd by the RBL, as far as I can tell.
Its certainly not a place I would care to socialise in. The clientele, no doubt attracted by the cheap bar prices are certainly not ex-service, or very few in any case, and there are some very dodgy characters hanging around - male and female!
How much longer the RBL can survive is problematic - but it would be a great shame if it were unable to carry on its excellent welfare and charitable works.
I am secretary of a club which rents a room in the local legion branch for its monthly meetings. Since the beginning of this year, for reasons that I do not understand the club is no longer known as the Royal British Legion, but The ***** Club, although it is still administerd by the RBL, as far as I can tell.
Its certainly not a place I would care to socialise in. The clientele, no doubt attracted by the cheap bar prices are certainly not ex-service, or very few in any case, and there are some very dodgy characters hanging around - male and female!
How much longer the RBL can survive is problematic - but it would be a great shame if it were unable to carry on its excellent welfare and charitable works.
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Surely the poppy like the war memorials and museums are all there to remind us that we must not do it again.
It's too easy to forget several million dead and pop off to fight some other war. The poppy to me has always been the stark reminder of the futility of war and the need to remember not to do it again. If the young ones ask why it is worn and why Remembrance Day exists we must tell them.
I will wear one. It's purpose cannot be forgotten.
It's too easy to forget several million dead and pop off to fight some other war. The poppy to me has always been the stark reminder of the futility of war and the need to remember not to do it again. If the young ones ask why it is worn and why Remembrance Day exists we must tell them.
I will wear one. It's purpose cannot be forgotten.