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The bit that holds the purse strings... Quit making me ashamed of my coutrymen's lack of understanding of the way other countries work since it's one of the biggest criticisms you make of Americans... 
The Republicans (being led around by the nose by the Teabagggers) are only in charge of one branch of government.
The roll out of the healthcare.gov web site has been a huge failure.
It cost 670 Million Dollars which is more than Facebook, twitter,instagram, and google combined.....and it does not work, is full of security issues, and simply does not work.
I started trying to log on the day it started.....Tuesday a week ago.
To date I have accomplished creating a User name, a password, entered my address, email addy, phone number, and did the three security questions.
The site sent me an email link to confirm my data and I responded.
At that point the site refused to verify my data but failed to send me a request for a confirmation number and did not issue me a confirmation number.
Live chat can not handle that problem.
One is referred to the Phone Number for service.
Finally, after going through a voice recognition automated menu....that did not recognize anything I said.....I punched "0" and eventually got a real live person.
She was not able to handle the problem and forwarded my help request on up the line and I was promised both an email and telephone contact confirming the problem had been fixed.
Guess what happened? No email....no phone call....problem still not fixed.
Odumbo said Apple had glitches in its last phone's software and after a few days they fixed it.
Odumbo should have had Apple do the web site and not the Canadians he hired.
BREAKING: Obamacare Flops, Receives Just 51k Applications
It cost 670 Million Dollars which is more than Facebook, twitter,instagram, and google combined.....and it does not work, is full of security issues, and simply does not work.
I started trying to log on the day it started.....Tuesday a week ago.
To date I have accomplished creating a User name, a password, entered my address, email addy, phone number, and did the three security questions.
The site sent me an email link to confirm my data and I responded.
At that point the site refused to verify my data but failed to send me a request for a confirmation number and did not issue me a confirmation number.
Live chat can not handle that problem.
One is referred to the Phone Number for service.
Finally, after going through a voice recognition automated menu....that did not recognize anything I said.....I punched "0" and eventually got a real live person.
She was not able to handle the problem and forwarded my help request on up the line and I was promised both an email and telephone contact confirming the problem had been fixed.
Guess what happened? No email....no phone call....problem still not fixed.
Odumbo said Apple had glitches in its last phone's software and after a few days they fixed it.
Odumbo should have had Apple do the web site and not the Canadians he hired.
BREAKING: Obamacare Flops, Receives Just 51k Applications
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So, wait, parts of the very government that the GOP obsessively wants to be made smaller are shut down, thereby making said government "smaller", and this is now suddenly a "bad" thing?
Or is it really the case that the GOP just wants the government made "smaller" in just the areas that its supremely wealthy donors want made smaller - for example, welfare, gun control, healthcare, education - so they can get richer?
I'm not sure how Boehner and the rest of his white, fat, rich buddies look themselves in the mirror in the morning.
Or is it really the case that the GOP just wants the government made "smaller" in just the areas that its supremely wealthy donors want made smaller - for example, welfare, gun control, healthcare, education - so they can get richer?
I'm not sure how Boehner and the rest of his white, fat, rich buddies look themselves in the mirror in the morning.
It would appear the Republicans don't understand the concept of democracy
We have a Representative Republic not a Democracy.
Now what is it you were trying to say?
Pah,semantics - by your deffinition no country is a democracy.
Popular usage has come to mean a representative democracy,even 'some' Republicans believe this; "Government of the people, by the people".
Do you really believe you don't live in a democracy ?
Of course it is said we get the the goverment we deserve
Popular usage has come to mean a representative democracy,even 'some' Republicans believe this; "Government of the people, by the people".
Do you really believe you don't live in a democracy ?
Of course it is said we get the the goverment we deserve
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It's not semantics. The distinction between our Republic and a democracy is not an idle one. It has great legal significance.
A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think.
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It's not semantics. The distinction between our Republic and a democracy is not an idle one. It has great legal significance.
A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think.
Bob C
RC, it is semantics.
Bush and the neocons didn't make such distinctions in their zeal to spread 'democracy' throughout the Arab world.
As woptb said, by your definitions there are no democracies anywhere in the world.
Bush and the neocons didn't make such distinctions in their zeal to spread 'democracy' throughout the Arab world.
As woptb said, by your definitions there are no democracies anywhere in the world.
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Our Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4). No state may join the United States unless it is a Republic. Our Republic is one dedicated to "liberty and justice for all." Minority individual rights are the priority. The people have natural rights instead of civil rights. The people are protected by the Bill of Rights from the majority.
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SASless, I follow the partisan political points you make, which is of course what politics is all about. But surely when you say:
Then......finally we see Obamacare become Law. A Bill that was pushed through Congress when the Democrats had a Majority in each House and held the White House.
This simply proves that in a democracy the will of the people as expressed through the ballot box must prevail.
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Agreed. There is a Spitfire in it, so how about History & Nostalgia?
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Another vote for a move to hamsterwheel here - this is a wheel that will never stop turning. We over this side of the Atlantic will never really understand the Americans' aversion to state health care - but it's their country, let them do what they like.
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I liked going to the States, but thank the lord I don't have to live there and hope I have enough money to pay insurance or get picked up off the street if I have an accident/health scare.. I have met hard working Americans who don't earn the cash to pay for it. Please American Vets, do your mudsligning where it belongs that isn't here.
British Vet.
British Vet.
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