How low can you go
One small victory for private enterprise after being shutdown by the Park Service.....who posted Police Officers to prevent customers from using the business.
Funny....a Federal law suit gets filed....and the Park Service folds its tent and orders the Cops to cease and desist!
Welfare Man's "Make'em Miserable" Campaign is coming apart at the seams.
Blue Ridge Parkway Inn Reopens With Federal Approval | digtriad.com
Meanwhile back to the topic of the thread....
Fisher House is going to fund any payments and assistance needed by the Families of those killed in Afghanistan. The House voted unanimously on a Bill that would fund all such payments but it appears the Senate is dragging its feet.....and playing politics yet. Democrats must be so prould!
Funny....a Federal law suit gets filed....and the Park Service folds its tent and orders the Cops to cease and desist!
Welfare Man's "Make'em Miserable" Campaign is coming apart at the seams.
Blue Ridge Parkway Inn Reopens With Federal Approval | digtriad.com
Meanwhile back to the topic of the thread....
Fisher House is going to fund any payments and assistance needed by the Families of those killed in Afghanistan. The House voted unanimously on a Bill that would fund all such payments but it appears the Senate is dragging its feet.....and playing politics yet. Democrats must be so prould!
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Something that he has no authority to do. Congress makes the laws, Congress amends the laws, the President merely signs the laws. To be "tweaking" the law by arbitrarily granting delays and exceptions is overstepping his Constitutional authority... Not that he cares...
Melmoth:
As a Brit who has spent approximately equal parts of my 55 years in the USA I can tell you I know which I prefer. I do not wait 45 minutes for an ambulance to arrive in the USA because the Ambulance Service has been so cut that a town of 36,000 is serviced from another town 9 miles away. I wouldn't have lost my stepmother to colon cancer because they don't screen for it until you show symptoms in the Oxford District...
All O'BummerCare has done is taken a system that 85% were happy with that had some 30M people uninsured mainly because they didn't want to be and replaced it with a system that is having the following effects:-
Tell me, where is the benefit????
He has made 19 changes to the Law when it suited him.
Melmoth:
BTW, we have universal healthcare in this country - it's really not a communist conspiracy.
All O'BummerCare has done is taken a system that 85% were happy with that had some 30M people uninsured mainly because they didn't want to be and replaced it with a system that is having the following effects:-
- 70% of all jobs created this year are part time because the Act allows employers to not provide insurance for part time workers.
- A large number of workers are having their hours cut from greater than 30 to less than 30. So they lose money and health insurance benefits - double whammy.
- Despite the promise of $2500/annum savings men are facing a 119% average increase in cost and women 69%(?).
- Deductibles are going up too so the out of pockets costs hit the average family too.
- Due to requirements of the Act many major insurance companies are pulling their service from entire states leaving millions of people they previously insured without insurance.
- In Mississippi there are 36 counties that have only a single provider of health insurance because of the withdrawal of so many insurers. The remaining insurer is upping it's rates.
- Around 70% of the population here do not want O'Bummercare, but the Senate won't listen. They keep saying "The ACA has been law for three years, quit trying to change it" without noticing the irony of the fact that the Second Amendment has been law for over 200 years yet, almost annually, they try to change that.
Tell me, where is the benefit????
AA....you are cheating.....MM will do a runner rather than debate the issues. He likes to make the comments like he did....and swear he holds the high ground.
Facts only destroy his position if he responds to them so we shall hear very little from him if I remember his MO properly.
He is much akin to a pick pocket....sneaks up does a brush pass....and makes off to see what he scored.
Facts only destroy his position if he responds to them so we shall hear very little from him if I remember his MO properly.
He is much akin to a pick pocket....sneaks up does a brush pass....and makes off to see what he scored.
O'Bummercare? Really AA?!
You're quite right SASLess, with that level of debate I have nothing further to contribute to this discussion so will bow out.
Like I said, I actually like America and have some very close Americans friends. Hope you all manage to get your **** together sooner rather than later.
You're quite right SASLess, with that level of debate I have nothing further to contribute to this discussion so will bow out.
Like I said, I actually like America and have some very close Americans friends. Hope you all manage to get your **** together sooner rather than later.
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O'Bummercare? Really AA?!
It's no different to you of the unright persuasion referring to the last President as "Shrub".
Like I said, I actually like America and have some very close Americans friends
Dang.....I thought you were outta here Melm......yet you linger after promising to depart. Are you a Liberal Democrat?
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He can't be, he hasn't hinted he will swop sides.
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I've seen up close - and recently, too - the arbitrary nature of Tricare offered to US SP and their families. There would be a justifiable outcry if the decisions that I was privy to concerning cancer treatment for the spouse of a US-A Colonel were made by the NHS. Care is rationed, medication is rationed, care is withheld... Not good, in anyone's book.
I understand the genuine abhorance of 'big government' in the US, however this doesn't square with recent ambitions of the US to be a global interventionist - especially with the Neocons. This approach arguably stopped before the Syria debacle, however, the US ability to project influence is melting away by the second, as it is showing itself as weak, indecisive and genuinely decepid...which it shouldn't be.
I understand the genuine abhorance of 'big government' in the US, however this doesn't square with recent ambitions of the US to be a global interventionist - especially with the Neocons. This approach arguably stopped before the Syria debacle, however, the US ability to project influence is melting away by the second, as it is showing itself as weak, indecisive and genuinely decepid...which it shouldn't be.
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Trouble with America is they have stood on what they did well for so long, that they never saw the rest of the world catching up with them, 30 years ago everyone bought US helicopters and the flow of money was one way, these days America buys the likes of European Helicopters and the flow is reversed.. Same with their passenger jets, they have for so long simply updated their old designs without developing new aircraft to find their market being eroded by the likes of Airbus. Of late they have tried to be correcting it, but the debt and cashflow that used to be kept in country has now spread out globally, China could cripple them if they dumped their Dollar holdings on the market and it's all down to greed.
That as I see it has been part of their downfall, along with political greed, it's a shame that US Senators are not required as with their President to only be able to stand for two terms.
Regardless of whether Obamacare is good or bad for the country, their politicians should not be playing with people's lives and the countries future just to make a point. If you think he is tampering with laws etc illegally, impeach him
That as I see it has been part of their downfall, along with political greed, it's a shame that US Senators are not required as with their President to only be able to stand for two terms.
Regardless of whether Obamacare is good or bad for the country, their politicians should not be playing with people's lives and the countries future just to make a point. If you think he is tampering with laws etc illegally, impeach him
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Nutty,
Two things stand in the way of Impeachment.
The Constitutional requirements for Impeachable Offenses.
Political Will by the Republicans to go that route as they fully understand they CAN Impeach Obama but the Trial would have to take place in the Senate. The Republicans have the majority in the House and thus could easily bring forth the Articles of Impeachment. The Trial would then take place in the Senate and the Democrats hold a majority.
The third factor that should always act to prevent such a move is Joe "Walter" Biden would step to the Big Chair if Obama got convicted in the Senate.
Right now the IRS Scandal is beginning to look like very bad news for Obama.
What was billed by the Obama Regime as being a couple of rogue IRS Agents in Ohio.....has now morphed to the current head of the IRS Obamacare Implementation Office...having illegally divulged citizen's Tax Data to the White House Staff. Even the Democrats will have very deep second thoughts about standing up for the Administration over this once it is proved very senior White House Staff and Advisors to the President were in the Loop in this.
As that news drips out.....the Tea Party and other Conservative movements are going to get very involved in the coming 2014 elections and if you recall what happened in 2010.....this has surely got the Democrats shivering in their sea boots!
Two things stand in the way of Impeachment.
The Constitutional requirements for Impeachable Offenses.
Political Will by the Republicans to go that route as they fully understand they CAN Impeach Obama but the Trial would have to take place in the Senate. The Republicans have the majority in the House and thus could easily bring forth the Articles of Impeachment. The Trial would then take place in the Senate and the Democrats hold a majority.
The third factor that should always act to prevent such a move is Joe "Walter" Biden would step to the Big Chair if Obama got convicted in the Senate.
Right now the IRS Scandal is beginning to look like very bad news for Obama.
What was billed by the Obama Regime as being a couple of rogue IRS Agents in Ohio.....has now morphed to the current head of the IRS Obamacare Implementation Office...having illegally divulged citizen's Tax Data to the White House Staff. Even the Democrats will have very deep second thoughts about standing up for the Administration over this once it is proved very senior White House Staff and Advisors to the President were in the Loop in this.
As that news drips out.....the Tea Party and other Conservative movements are going to get very involved in the coming 2014 elections and if you recall what happened in 2010.....this has surely got the Democrats shivering in their sea boots!
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From what I read, here and elsewhere, American politics and politicians really are corrupt and pathetic, in my view. More so than in the UK and Europe and that's saying something!
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In UK in 1984-85 the Govt spent 11p out of every pound spent on Health service or £290 per person
In UK in 2013-14 the Govt will spend 18p out of every pound spent or £2,029.
Now allowing for inflation and a bit extra for Capital items you would be spending £800-900 per person.
NHS is a black hole that sucks billions out of economy and is it really that much better than it was in 1985 ?
SAS called it right between a nation of Independents or a nation of Dependents.
UK like US are rapidly becoming nations where others especially immigrants are expected to do the low paying jobs while others live off the back of them.
In 2012, 90% of all income tax was paid by half the working population.
Unemployed family-of-12 to get 6-bedroom council house | Mail Online
Then again it will only take all the tax paid by 20 people earning £20k a year to pay for their welfare bill.
In UK in 2013-14 the Govt will spend 18p out of every pound spent or £2,029.
Now allowing for inflation and a bit extra for Capital items you would be spending £800-900 per person.
NHS is a black hole that sucks billions out of economy and is it really that much better than it was in 1985 ?
SAS called it right between a nation of Independents or a nation of Dependents.
UK like US are rapidly becoming nations where others especially immigrants are expected to do the low paying jobs while others live off the back of them.
In 2012, 90% of all income tax was paid by half the working population.
Unemployed family-of-12 to get 6-bedroom council house | Mail Online
Then again it will only take all the tax paid by 20 people earning £20k a year to pay for their welfare bill.
racedo,
According to a figure in one of todays papers, 29.8% of UK income tax is pay by the top 1% of earners....
Interesting statistic, especially when you consider that the Lib Dems and Labour are always going on about the wealthy contributing more, or "more fairly"....
As for the NHS, I thought its basic remit was to preserve life, maintain health, etc. So why is fertility treatment available on the NHS?
According to a figure in one of todays papers, 29.8% of UK income tax is pay by the top 1% of earners....
Interesting statistic, especially when you consider that the Lib Dems and Labour are always going on about the wealthy contributing more, or "more fairly"....
As for the NHS, I thought its basic remit was to preserve life, maintain health, etc. So why is fertility treatment available on the NHS?
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What happened to the capping of benefits?
Same with housing
Now one council house in ten goes to migrants as Tories blame Labour for allowing locals 'to be pushed out of waiting list' | Mail Online
No wonder they fall over themselves to get here and the Syrians who were offered asylum in France turned it down and went on protest to come here.
Personally I would cap all child benefits at 4 children and cap the size of available social housing at 5 bedrooms.
As someone I read succinctly out it, "I cannot afford to have children and work all hours God sends to keep a roof over my and my wife's head, why should I pay for Children I and my wife cannot afford to have."
Same with housing
Now one council house in ten goes to migrants as Tories blame Labour for allowing locals 'to be pushed out of waiting list' | Mail Online
No wonder they fall over themselves to get here and the Syrians who were offered asylum in France turned it down and went on protest to come here.
Personally I would cap all child benefits at 4 children and cap the size of available social housing at 5 bedrooms.
As someone I read succinctly out it, "I cannot afford to have children and work all hours God sends to keep a roof over my and my wife's head, why should I pay for Children I and my wife cannot afford to have."
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There is a HUGE difference between the health "care" that is proposed in America and the NHS style systems in the UK, Canada and Australia. The latter three are all more or less paid for out of tax. The Australians seem to have the best mix, and perhaps if their style of system was inaugurated in America there would be a workable system. As it is the system proposed is stupid beyond belief.
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I'm no expert but the Australian system does seem to work.
Public hospitals require more funding though, waiting times a bit long
but overall, people can get looked at by a doctor virtually anytime
and a hospital at some point.
Others may have different views.
And then if you want more cover, you can buy it.
Public hospitals require more funding though, waiting times a bit long
but overall, people can get looked at by a doctor virtually anytime
and a hospital at some point.
Others may have different views.
And then if you want more cover, you can buy it.
'Obamacare' is the law of the land, the president was reelected and elections have consequences.
The Republicans (being led around by the nose by the Teabagggers) are only in charge of one branch of government.
It would appear the Republicans don't understand the concept of democracy
Incidentally,apart from some on the lunatic fringe of the Republicans, you can't get a fag paper between the donkeys & the elephants political agendas,they both stink up the place pretty bad
The Republicans (being led around by the nose by the Teabagggers) are only in charge of one branch of government.
It would appear the Republicans don't understand the concept of democracy
Incidentally,apart from some on the lunatic fringe of the Republicans, you can't get a fag paper between the donkeys & the elephants political agendas,they both stink up the place pretty bad