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Pentagon Withholding Death Benefits for Fallen Soldiers' Families

Requiring families to pay to meet repatriated bodies at Dover......:ugh::ugh::ugh:

but, it was commented elsewhere, the military golf course Obama uses is still open.

(please tell me it ain't so)

Yes, Andrews course remains open because it is paid for by fees not the State. That is just the opposition using it as a cheap shot.
They will never win over this, it's got to be costing the Senators thousands of votes.

They have now closed parts of the Ocean :ugh:

Obama Administration Closes Ocean over Government Shutdown

I believe a bill is going through to pay the families, and the likes of Trump has offered to pay in the meantime...
That is a sickening thing to do to these people, I just hope the country remembers next election time what these Senators have done, senators who incidentally ARE still being paid, whilst those that can least afford it are not. This will put people into bankruptcy and ruin them.

Pedantic.

Petty.


Someone needs to take a sledge hammer to all sides of the issue !!!

I have said it elsewhere.....this is the right time and reason to fire General Martin Dempsey.....tie a can to his tail and send him down the road.

You tell me in the entire DOD Budget....the Joint Chiefs cannot find the money to take care of this?

The ass kissers need to be shown the door.

You mean like using armed guards to keep people away from memorials ?
Is that cheap ?

How about an "American Spring" and rid the nation of these free-loading a$$holes who call them representatives of the people??

Our brothers and sister in arms are being treated with disdain...

Catholic priests have been told by the Obama Administration that they will be arrested if they attempt to minister to soldiers during the partial Government shutdown. Police dogs were deployed by at the Vietnam Memorial the other day to prevent veterans from visiting, and elderly Vets were arrested, plastic tied, and thrown into paddy wagons in New York for visiting the memorial there.

Many of our nation’s truckers are planning a truckers’ strike/demonstration in Washington D.C. beginning 11 October and US citizens are now beginning to remove the barriers to our national monuments. They belong to us…NOT to the now absolutely abusive federal government. Veterans are also planning their own Million Vets March on D.C. beginning 13 October beginning 9:00 a.m. at the WWII Memorial.

Acting more and more like a cheap version of Josef Stalin or even Hugo Chavez and, increasingly, drunk on his personally perceived absolute power over US citizens, Obama is now openly attacking we Americans and all of our institutions.

Bob C

The more I hear, the worse it gets.

Thank god you lot are doing something about it
instead of meekly taking it up the arse.

Send a message loud and strong to the White House
because he really does need it.

:ok:

It saddens me to see, a once great nation, come to this.

Thanks Nutloose.
At some stage in history, the jerks may realise that false reporting damages their case as much as they were trying to damage their opposition's.
I guess it'll be"Government bayonets nuns" next. That seems to be a favorite in most conflicts.

Update: As of yesterday
There was a brief moment of unity when the House voted 425-0 to let the Pentagon pay death benefits to the families of fallen U.S. troops.

At the risk of being shot down in flames, isn't it all because a group of rich senators feel that poor people should not have free or subsidised healthcare that all this is happening? Just because it seems a little too much like (whisper it) socialism, apparently. In the meantime the country can go to pieces, and hopefully the voters will recognise it the next time their representatives come up for re-election.

Obama will not go down in history as one of the USA's best presidents, but enabling those who cannot pay for it to receive good medical treatment can't be a bad thing surely?

Hand on the ripcord...

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There's me thinking we were in for another thread of photos of aircraft flying at about 3' above the ground.....

I am with M the M. And I don't think Obama has been a "bad" President, but earned and has justified in full being the first black President. About time these "Tea Party" people got life in perspective

... hmmmmm ... not quite.

As ever, Snopes is your friend.

But that said, what IS happening is bad enough, without the need to invent or embellish stories. Particularly bad IMO is that the pollies are still getting paid but the pensioners ain't.

Why that would be like our MPs voting themselves a 9.3% pay rise while the military get 1% ......

...... oh, ...... hang on ........ :ugh:

Edited to add:


Mention above of the Tea Party reminded me of Ian Hislop's excellent remark on HIGNFY last week:

"The Tea Party? That's like UKIP ..... but with guns!" :ok:

This whole business is like some Greek Tragedy, where two brothers are constantly fighting and agreed that if they didn't stop fighting by a certain date, they'd kill each other's first-born. [I didn't think of this analogy myself, but I think it's a pretty good analogy].

Re Obamacare - over the last few years I've worked closely with a number of senior American civilians and military officers - like many other PPruners. These otherwise sane people had, almost to a man, believed the bonkers US Right Wing propaganda about the NHS - that there are State Death Boards that determine if patients get live-saving treatment, and that 'everyone' had private healthcare in 'England' because the NHS was means-tested. I'd point out that some people have private healthcare (often as part of their employment package) but most people see their NHS doctor; NHS prescriptions were heavily subsidised (who pays for private prescriptions?); NHS emergency treament is always available; if you need an urgent & immediate lifesaving operation, the NHS was the place to go. Yes, there are problems with the NHS (and I hope that Obamacare would take note of these) but, ultiamtely, the UK would be a much more miserable place for many, many people if the NHS wasn't there.

MM and others that think you understand the situation......you do not.

My view of it....as I am having to endure what is going on....is a bit different than yours.

The Situation is both far simpler and at the same time far more complex than can be explained in a few paragraphs.

Basic problem.....we are at a point in this country where we have to decide if we are going to "Dependents" or "Independents", "Free Men" or "Subjects", and the real divide goes right down to whether we shall accept the Progressive Agenda that started back in the 1930's under FDR and has been pushed by every Democrat Administration and every time the Democrats have held Majorities in Congress.

The latest Administration is just the most aggressive of those that are pushing us towards European Socialism. About half the Nation rejects that and the other half either support it or have other agendas that cause them to support the first Black President in our Nation's History.

Progressive Policies have pushed an ever larger, more costly, more intrusive Centralization of power in the Federal Government. We have started electing Senators instead of having them appointed by the State Legislatures and they now represent the People rather than the State Government that sent them to the Senate. We have allowed far too much money to flow into our politics and politicians. Special Interests have far too much sway with Politicians, Partisan Politics has priority over the People's Business. Our Media pushes the Progressive Agenda rather than fulfilling their assigned role of being the purveyors of the truth to the People.

Then, we get a corrupt administration, a Senate that will not debate a Budget and has not for over five years. We are forced to fund the Federal Government by Continuing Resolutions and do not ever have a real Budget fight that assigns priorities and examines actual government spending.

The Federal Government is spending twice as much money as it takes in....thus running up annual deficits averaging a Billion Dollars each year. That debt is killing the country.

We have an administration that has made horrible decisions regarding the Economy, decisions that have killed Job Growth and stalled the growth of the economy, and worse yet have lied, manipulated, and covered up any news that reports those sad facts.

Then......finally we see Obamacare become Law. A Bill that was pushed through Congress when the Democrats had a Majority in each House and held the White House. Commonsense measures were ignored. Republicans were not allowed to add Amendments, the Bill was the result of secret back room deals with Special Interests, Congressional Representatives in the Majority Party were bought off by bribes given in the form of Tax Money for pet projects in their Districts or States. The Bill was not posted for review by the Public and not one single person voting on the Bill in Congress read the 2,000 page Bill. Even the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi said Congress had to pass the Bill to find out what was in the Bill.

The Obama Administration has purely screwed up the implementation of the Law, Obama himself has granted thousands of exemptions to the law to Unions, and others that supported him. He has made 19 changes to the Law when it suited him. He granted a special exemption to Congress and its Staff.

The 700 Million Dollar computer Web Site done by a Canadian outfit is a total failure.

Yet, when those of us who would be considered "Tea Party Members" speak out about what we see wrong with all this.....we are said to be "Whacko's", "Terrorists", and all sorts of ugly names.

We object to a government that refuses to cut spending, a government that does not comply with Constitutional requirements to do a Budget each year, a government that corruptly grants special treatment under a Law, a government that ignores those laws it does not want to enforce, and most importantly, a government that seems intent upon creating a permanent class dependent upon the government for their every need and want.

Our Nation was founded upon individualism, small government, government being subservient to the People, self responsibility, and the ability of each of us being able to succeed based upon our own merit and ability.

The current administration stands firmly against those notions.

That is where we are at today.

Watch the News this weekend.....beginning tomorrow morning there are going to be numerous Protests all across the country.....some have the potential of turning ugly if the government over reacts.

I am going to Washington to join in two of those protests.....along with a few Million others it would appear.

I am a Vietnam Veteran.....I am going to the Vietnam Memorial.....and the Park Rangers best stand aside as I fully intend to exercise my First Amendment Rights.....alongside the WWII Veterans and the Korean War Veterans.

One short explanation of the situation......


Democrats to America: We Own the Government! - Ann Coulter - Page full

Remembering the invective diatribe you posted at Obama's re-election SASless, I didn't have to read any further than this to guess what your view on the situation might be.

Whatever Obama does or says, you'll be opposed to it.

No offence, but as a Brit who has a lot of time for America and Americans it depresses me to see you all tearing yourselves apart along sectarian party political lines like this.

BTW, we have universal healthcare in this country - it's really not a communist conspiracy.

Melm,

It would appear I was right then....and remain right today.

If you cannot grasp the Economic data, Job Data, the scandals, and corruption that has been exposed.....then it is you that has the blinders on.

Are you keeping up on the IRS Scandal.....that one alone should be the downfall of the Obama Administration. Had we an honest media....it would be.

How do you confuse Socialism with Communism? Can you not tell the difference?

If your NHS is so good....how do the private insurers survive?

If the Canadian system is so good....why did their Premier come south for privately funded heart surgery?

We saw the "Death Panel" concept in action but it was in the form of the HHS Secretary Sebelius if you remember the Ten Year old girl that she denied a Lung Transplant....who is still alive today after she got her Lungs following a Federal Judge intervening.

You crackwise.....but just show your own bias and close mindedness when all you do is attack rather than debate.

Socialist or communist, it's NOT a conspiracy to emasculate Americans. It's really not.

I'm reminded of the last time that the American right tired to draw parallels between Obamacare and the NHS. Fox News came out and said that if Stephen Hawking had been British, the NHS would have let him die. To which he issued a response pointing out that he is British, and that the NHS is the only reason he's still alive!