US takes delivery of BRAND NEW Spartan C-27J fleet straight to the boneyard
Jeez I'd already typed Ryanair myself then scrubbed it out for fear of ridicule.
But honestly, appreciated this generic point is merely coincidental with the thread, but as has been intimated elsewhere, isnt it about time for a line to be drawn in the sand rather than heads sunk in it?
But honestly, appreciated this generic point is merely coincidental with the thread, but as has been intimated elsewhere, isnt it about time for a line to be drawn in the sand rather than heads sunk in it?
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I've heard a rumour that the US government will be giving C27Js to the airforce of a certain landlocked, rugged country quite close to Pakistan. (if they haven't already done so)
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RAAF acquisition announced in May last year, and first aircraft entered final assembly in Turin last December. But IOC isn't until 2016, and that's with the entire program being moved 12 months to the left!
Meanwhile, ALG is still very busy, and there is a big whole in capability. I wonder if anyone in the AIR 8000 office has quietly made recommendations to the Minister to make some enquiries about getting a couple of aircraft here NOW to get the introduction into service process going?
Perhaps nobody important in the Ronnies cares enough, but I can assure you ALG's main client DOES friggin care, it cares a ton.
Helpful, I concede that most so-called beer in this country is tasteless swill. Quite a feat, really, removing the taste from beer, but the big brewers here have managed, somehow. Now whilst the pishy fizzy lager that is sold here is what is known globally, it isn't the whole story. Lots of very VERY good smaller brewers turning out some incredibly good stuff - even good lagers!
Meanwhile, ALG is still very busy, and there is a big whole in capability. I wonder if anyone in the AIR 8000 office has quietly made recommendations to the Minister to make some enquiries about getting a couple of aircraft here NOW to get the introduction into service process going?
Perhaps nobody important in the Ronnies cares enough, but I can assure you ALG's main client DOES friggin care, it cares a ton.
Good luck finding that. The majority of Aussie beer is only good as 'training beer' or for cleaning paint brushes.
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nl #20. I could never understand how anyone else could do it cheaper than the RAF in house
The theology of civilianisation/PFI is so simple - how else could McKinsey have presented, and Ministers grasped it:
1. Public servants' pensions, if brought back to ready-upfront man-hours, make hourly costs grotesque. (In uniform for 20 years; draw pension (inflation-proofed/66% of last): self for 30, wife another 5 yrs.) So: use uniforms only for tasks that might get them killed.
2. Public finance rests on the convention that no Parliament can commit its successor. So accounting is simple cash-in-the-year. No hire purchase. So: take delivery of a nice A330; pay now 100% from this year's taxes. Business spreads capital spend out over a depreciation schedule. It treats cash as a detail, and attends to capital: so take delivery of a nice A330, pay 100% as cash, but record only 10% to this year's Company Result (profit/loss), and dump the rest over the next decade.
So: civil/PFI will always be cheaper in any one year, relieving taxes as we approach an Election. Basta!
Now, I hear you say, surely much dearer over the lifespan of the deal - interest/profit. Well yes...but...
1. Business understands efficiency, and makes operating savings ample to offset those costs;
2. a fair price to pay, to keep taxes lower now.
Just like you and I might use borrowed money to admit immediate gratification of our Want.
(We don't need to agree with this; just to understand the undoubted logic).
The theology of civilianisation/PFI is so simple - how else could McKinsey have presented, and Ministers grasped it:
1. Public servants' pensions, if brought back to ready-upfront man-hours, make hourly costs grotesque. (In uniform for 20 years; draw pension (inflation-proofed/66% of last): self for 30, wife another 5 yrs.) So: use uniforms only for tasks that might get them killed.
2. Public finance rests on the convention that no Parliament can commit its successor. So accounting is simple cash-in-the-year. No hire purchase. So: take delivery of a nice A330; pay now 100% from this year's taxes. Business spreads capital spend out over a depreciation schedule. It treats cash as a detail, and attends to capital: so take delivery of a nice A330, pay 100% as cash, but record only 10% to this year's Company Result (profit/loss), and dump the rest over the next decade.
So: civil/PFI will always be cheaper in any one year, relieving taxes as we approach an Election. Basta!
Now, I hear you say, surely much dearer over the lifespan of the deal - interest/profit. Well yes...but...
1. Business understands efficiency, and makes operating savings ample to offset those costs;
2. a fair price to pay, to keep taxes lower now.
Just like you and I might use borrowed money to admit immediate gratification of our Want.
(We don't need to agree with this; just to understand the undoubted logic).
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Moggie, they gave them some C27a that broke down even on delivery and are parked up having been rejected bt the Afghans, see
US scraps entire fleet of Afghan cargo planes - News - Stripes
From Solution to Scrapheap: The Afghan AF?s C-27A Transports
US scraps entire fleet of Afghan cargo planes - News - Stripes
From Solution to Scrapheap: The Afghan AF?s C-27A Transports
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Originally Posted by tornadoken
So: take delivery of a nice A330
Some civvies own the Voyager, we pay them bucket loads of money and then ask if we can borrow the Voyager on a thurs afternoon, they say yes or no?
Tornadoken - You win the internetz for today.
In the case of any trade between uniformed and contractor services, military officers all too often see only two numbers - the contractor's cost per hour and military wages - and think they are the same. They forget that the contractor cost (even in a GOCO environment) includes benefits, management, payroll &c, plus the option to shed the whole thing tomorrow if you shed the task.
Moreover, a good performance-based logistics contract includes de-escalator clauses: The job is open for bid if the contractor does not steadily reduce costs, by applying lessons learned, redesigning troublesome components, pulling his suppliers' toenails out &c. Does this mean that a smart contractor can beat the target and make some really tasty margins? Hellz yes, but that's what you wanted them to do, dummy - they just over-performed. You (the armed services) are still paying less.
In the case of any trade between uniformed and contractor services, military officers all too often see only two numbers - the contractor's cost per hour and military wages - and think they are the same. They forget that the contractor cost (even in a GOCO environment) includes benefits, management, payroll &c, plus the option to shed the whole thing tomorrow if you shed the task.
Moreover, a good performance-based logistics contract includes de-escalator clauses: The job is open for bid if the contractor does not steadily reduce costs, by applying lessons learned, redesigning troublesome components, pulling his suppliers' toenails out &c. Does this mean that a smart contractor can beat the target and make some really tasty margins? Hellz yes, but that's what you wanted them to do, dummy - they just over-performed. You (the armed services) are still paying less.
Don't forget its not just the USAF that puts new jets into "Stock". I seem to remember a Hangar at CBY that was very full of brand new but completely stripped Xmas trees.
