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Anyone have a survival booklet diagram of the "ojibwa bird snare" that we were taught to build in (combat) survival, when in aircrew training? I cant see a diagram in AP3456vol6, nor in the little 'arctic survival' booklets we had or in a Canadian CAP361 land & sea emergencies. I have seen diagrams on the web.
I don't want to trap birds, but grandson has a school project to make a "native (Indian/aboriginal/first-nations)" pre viking/columbian item. That spring into mind (out of nowhere) and sounded easy. thx in advance.....
I don't want to trap birds, but grandson has a school project to make a "native (Indian/aboriginal/first-nations)" pre viking/columbian item. That spring into mind (out of nowhere) and sounded easy. thx in advance.....
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Wholighan, fun you should mention that. On one exercise a stude sitting on the grass, while the instructor lit a fire on a flat stone in a stream, idly pulled a wild flower. The flower came up to reveal a neat Dakota hole that the instructor had prepared earlier.
Also, this summer, I made my grandson and granddaughter a tepee together with stone buttons. Also a small cooking fire. Unfortunately I was not there when my son-in-law, an ex-rock lit it. He said the fire lasted just over a minute before it burnt out as they had neglected to gather half a wood of fuel
Also, this summer, I made my grandson and granddaughter a tepee together with stone buttons. Also a small cooking fire. Unfortunately I was not there when my son-in-law, an ex-rock lit it. He said the fire lasted just over a minute before it burnt out as they had neglected to gather half a wood of fuel
Weren't you paying attention during Combat Survival lectures...???
1. Birdie lands on perch to grab whatever goodies you've put on the pointy end - note it must be pointy or the bird will sit on it.
2. Weight of bird causes perch to fall out of hole.
3. Loop of wire, previously restrained by perch peg, is now pulled taut by weight on end of wire.
4. Bird is thus trapped by legs.
...is what is supposed to happen. However, zealous survival trainees often made the weight too large, so when they returned, they would find a bird's landing gear, but no bird.....
Like all animal snares, don't make one of these unless you have to....
1. Birdie lands on perch to grab whatever goodies you've put on the pointy end - note it must be pointy or the bird will sit on it.
2. Weight of bird causes perch to fall out of hole.
3. Loop of wire, previously restrained by perch peg, is now pulled taut by weight on end of wire.
4. Bird is thus trapped by legs.
...is what is supposed to happen. However, zealous survival trainees often made the weight too large, so when they returned, they would find a bird's landing gear, but no bird.....
Like all animal snares, don't make one of these unless you have to....
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Slight thread drift ... What's criminal IMHO is the over feeding of reared pheasants this time of the year so that some fat a$$ed Banker can blast the little bu99ers out the sky on a Corporate Shoot with ease ... sport my a$$ 
The secondary effect being that high AUW Game birds can't reach escape velocity as Mrs Coff found out last night with a Cat5 Pheasant strike ... thankfully she was ok so was her car.
The secondary effect being that high AUW Game birds can't reach escape velocity as Mrs Coff found out last night with a Cat5 Pheasant strike ... thankfully she was ok so was her car.
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Pheasants are pretty much the stupidest animals alive. They just watch me drive a train at them at 125 mph and make no effort to get out of the way. Sadly no point in stopping to pick up the carcass as they spread themselves rather thinly at that impact speed.
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500N ... Yes old chap I've shot. Dog, gun, wild birds and no Beaters ... That's sport ... As opposed to standing in front of driven obese birds barely capable of flight 
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Good, at least you aren't one who jumps up and down but hasn't tried it.
I do agree, nothing like walk up wild birds. I still don't accept the criticism
though as other significant benefits flow to the environment from the practice.
Good, at least you aren't one who jumps up and down but hasn't tried it.
I do agree, nothing like walk up wild birds. I still don't accept the criticism
though as other significant benefits flow to the environment from the practice.
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You should see the dead pheasants on the roads round here. Raised in farms by the road, then set free to roam, with feeding stations in woods next to roads. Of course the owners put up signs, but a better idea would be to feed them well away from the roads.
They had a shooting club at Lossie back in the late 70's, and they reared their own birds then set them loose in the woods around Kinloss. They would have feeding stations where they could get seed. I had a laugh at the Cpl in charge of my section. When he told me they fed them, I said that's not very nice. You feed them, then one day you turn up, and the birds think, here's Pete with the food, but instead they get the s*** blasted out of them.
They had a shooting club at Lossie back in the late 70's, and they reared their own birds then set them loose in the woods around Kinloss. They would have feeding stations where they could get seed. I had a laugh at the Cpl in charge of my section. When he told me they fed them, I said that's not very nice. You feed them, then one day you turn up, and the birds think, here's Pete with the food, but instead they get the s*** blasted out of them.
CoffS - agree with you on this! Blasting overweight and very stupid pheasants is hardly playing the game.
They are VERY stupid though. I was once 'proceeding expeditiously' north on that excellent road between Colsterworth and Byards Leap when a pheasant decided to launch itself at my Opel Manta. With unfortunate accuracy, it struck exactly the corner between the front offside wing, bonnet and front panel, bounced back and snapped off the right wing mirror, followed by the radio antenna - then disappeared over the hedge in a cloud of confusion and feathers. I stopped and turned off the engine, which is when the fun started. Because the previous owner had installed one of those retractable antennae (which were all the rage in the late 1970s) - and it now tried to wind in the wreckage of the antenna, flailing the damn thing against the paintwork. So I grabbed it and then wondered what the heck to do next.... Turn ignition back on, find pair of pliers in boot, cut off antenna, ignition off and listen to antenna motor going nuts until I could find the right fuse.....
And to cap it all, I didn't even have a pheasant to take home to compensate me for about a hundred quid's worth of damage to my car!
But these days I won't kill a grey squirrel or anything else if I can help it - I even find myself opening the window to let flies out....
They are VERY stupid though. I was once 'proceeding expeditiously' north on that excellent road between Colsterworth and Byards Leap when a pheasant decided to launch itself at my Opel Manta. With unfortunate accuracy, it struck exactly the corner between the front offside wing, bonnet and front panel, bounced back and snapped off the right wing mirror, followed by the radio antenna - then disappeared over the hedge in a cloud of confusion and feathers. I stopped and turned off the engine, which is when the fun started. Because the previous owner had installed one of those retractable antennae (which were all the rage in the late 1970s) - and it now tried to wind in the wreckage of the antenna, flailing the damn thing against the paintwork. So I grabbed it and then wondered what the heck to do next.... Turn ignition back on, find pair of pliers in boot, cut off antenna, ignition off and listen to antenna motor going nuts until I could find the right fuse.....
And to cap it all, I didn't even have a pheasant to take home to compensate me for about a hundred quid's worth of damage to my car!
But these days I won't kill a grey squirrel or anything else if I can help it - I even find myself opening the window to let flies out....
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Thanks everyone for the help and amazing thread drift. I WAS awake in CS class, otherwise I wouldn't have remembered the name, would I!
Anyway the diagram & link fitted what I vaguely remembered. I think he should make bannock instead, personally- better to have something edible. I have sent a link to son/grandson for this excellent thread. They live in Virginia, so a snowhole is definately out, as is an igloo.
Ah wildish pheasants. Thanks for the thread drift- I vividly remember;
flying lowish & slowish on GCA in fine wx approaching CGY and seeing many people out with guns, in the fields, hunting pheasants. They would look up and I always wondered if any would take a potshot at us. Also recall the squished birds littering the rural roads in Lincs, and, when we were served pheasant soup or pheasant was on the menu in the mess, wondering if it was actually road kill. Still can't eat pheasant.
thanks again all. 
Anyway the diagram & link fitted what I vaguely remembered. I think he should make bannock instead, personally- better to have something edible. I have sent a link to son/grandson for this excellent thread. They live in Virginia, so a snowhole is definately out, as is an igloo.
Ah wildish pheasants. Thanks for the thread drift- I vividly remember;
flying lowish & slowish on GCA in fine wx approaching CGY and seeing many people out with guns, in the fields, hunting pheasants. They would look up and I always wondered if any would take a potshot at us. Also recall the squished birds littering the rural roads in Lincs, and, when we were served pheasant soup or pheasant was on the menu in the mess, wondering if it was actually road kill. Still can't eat pheasant.
thanks again all.
Mrs W, many years ago was being driven by a colleague to a meeting from their country office to the head office in the big city. On the way there, they struck on of the aforementioned birds of small brain. The car had a dent, the bird was dead. The colleague picked up the kill thinking that a tasty meal would be some compensation for the damage.
However, the bird wasn't dead, just stunned and came to life in the centre of Norwich flapping around in the estate car. It had to be released, very confused in an environment it clearly wasn't accustomed to. My wife and her colleague arrived at the meeting late, covered in feathers and pheasant poo.
However, the bird wasn't dead, just stunned and came to life in the centre of Norwich flapping around in the estate car. It had to be released, very confused in an environment it clearly wasn't accustomed to. My wife and her colleague arrived at the meeting late, covered in feathers and pheasant poo.
I remember first hearing about the Ojibwa bird trap from Cranwell's CSRO in the mid 80s, a Nav called Roly. He mentioned that the Ojibwa tribe had all died out, probably from starvation - so it probably wasn't a very good trap. I don't remember it being mentioned in my own CSRO course, but I did have many hangovers on the days we weren't living under a parachute.