Gibraltar
I notice reports on the news this evening that that formaldehyde formed woman in charge of Argentine tannoy broadcasts is shouting about the Malvinas again. Putting the pressure on, I suspect, as she perceives how weak the government is on Gibraltar. It is curious that the Ashton woman, Rumpy Von Pumpy nor Barbossa have any comments to make on the situation. I'm sure if UK had invaded Sardinia there would be some EUphonic vibrato.
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That bastion of superb reporting, The Daily Wail
I just did a search and it was Gibraltars Chief Minister who asked
and is reported in other media as well.
"Gibraltars-chief-minister-asks-Britain-send-Royal-Navy-warship-strength-stop-incursions-Spanish-boat-police-Rocks-territorial-waters"
Gibraltar's chief minister asks Britain to send Royal Navy warship as show of strength to stop incursions by Spanish boat police into the Rock's territorial waters | Mail Online
That bastion of superb reporting, The Daily Wail
I just did a search and it was Gibraltars Chief Minister who asked
and is reported in other media as well.
"Gibraltars-chief-minister-asks-Britain-send-Royal-Navy-warship-strength-stop-incursions-Spanish-boat-police-Rocks-territorial-waters"
Gibraltar's chief minister asks Britain to send Royal Navy warship as show of strength to stop incursions by Spanish boat police into the Rock's territorial waters | Mail Online
"Gibraltars-chief-minister-asks-Britain-send-Royal-Navy-warship-strength-stop-incursions-Spanish-boat-police-Rocks-territorial-waters"
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The Spanish Coast Guard have been playing silly buggers in the harbour area for a couple of years
Maybe we slap at £200 tax on everyone visiting Spain from the UK in retaliation..........
Maybe we slap at £200 tax on everyone visiting Spain from the UK in retaliation..........
This article quoting the Navy News says that 'while the core of the Navy are on leave during August, HMS Portland is ready to defend the UK.' So that's it.
MoD News - Portland Protects The Nation
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MoD News - Portland Protects The Nation
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This is of course political smoke and mirrors to distract the domestic population from other problems.
But how to respond proportionately and legally while still putting some iron in the glove?
Reciprocal charges won’t work, charging Brits to fly to Spain simply upsets the voters. I suspect charging Spaniards to enter the UK is probably illegal under EU law.
How about investing in some high quality optics to monitor Spanish fishing boats and police launches intentional or ‘accidental’ entering of Gibraltarian waters with an administration fee of something substantial like 20,000 euros. If they don’t pay then using the optics they can be identified and a European Arrest warrant issued.
By taking a hard line it won’t be long before the locals start hammering on the doors of their politicians to get the authorities to wind their necks in a bit.
Lets start using the rules to our advantage for a change that others use to abuse us.
Probably totally illegal but can’t we try being a bit more imaginative and stop being pushed around?
But how to respond proportionately and legally while still putting some iron in the glove?
Reciprocal charges won’t work, charging Brits to fly to Spain simply upsets the voters. I suspect charging Spaniards to enter the UK is probably illegal under EU law.
How about investing in some high quality optics to monitor Spanish fishing boats and police launches intentional or ‘accidental’ entering of Gibraltarian waters with an administration fee of something substantial like 20,000 euros. If they don’t pay then using the optics they can be identified and a European Arrest warrant issued.
By taking a hard line it won’t be long before the locals start hammering on the doors of their politicians to get the authorities to wind their necks in a bit.
Lets start using the rules to our advantage for a change that others use to abuse us.
Probably totally illegal but can’t we try being a bit more imaginative and stop being pushed around?
Andypandy068,
"Reciprocal charges won’t work, charging Brits to fly to Spain simply upsets the voters. I suspect charging Spaniards to enter the UK is probably illegal under EU law."
I suppose that the same can be said of the border charges to Gib proposed by Spain. For me there are two options.
1. Give Gibraltar back to Spain.
2. Stand up to the aggression (obviously started to deflect attention from the Spanish political woes). Put a few competent (typhoons) aircraft to protect legal British trade in and out of Gib. SBS/marines to patrol Gib legal boundaries, and use force if required.
Unfortunately, with the current governments acquiescence in all matters to the EU. EU intransigence towards the UK I suspect we end up with option 1. For all of the rhetoric the likes of call me Dave are not about to upset Rumpy Von Pumpy.
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"Reciprocal charges won’t work, charging Brits to fly to Spain simply upsets the voters. I suspect charging Spaniards to enter the UK is probably illegal under EU law."
I suppose that the same can be said of the border charges to Gib proposed by Spain. For me there are two options.
1. Give Gibraltar back to Spain.
2. Stand up to the aggression (obviously started to deflect attention from the Spanish political woes). Put a few competent (typhoons) aircraft to protect legal British trade in and out of Gib. SBS/marines to patrol Gib legal boundaries, and use force if required.
Unfortunately, with the current governments acquiescence in all matters to the EU. EU intransigence towards the UK I suspect we end up with option 1. For all of the rhetoric the likes of call me Dave are not about to upset Rumpy Von Pumpy.
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Picked this up off Gob Book...
Hi Spain. Only me. I just google-mapped Gibraltar as I didn't really know where you kept it. And I couldn't help notice this little place just over the water called Ceuta. I think it's yours but you've actually left it in someone else's country and Wikipedia tell me that Morocco rather want it back. I'm not being funny, Spain, but is this the pot calling the kettle Moorish? Anyways, send my love to Portugal. Toodleoo. Px
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That's very good.
Hopefully the media will pick up on it and publish it.
I wish Cameron or someone else would publicly mention Ceuta
and that the inhabitants want to return to Morocco !
It would be interesting to see what the reaction to this
would be from the Spanish Gov't.
Maybe the UK media should be shouting out about
it a bit more to stir the pot.
Hopefully the media will pick up on it and publish it.
I wish Cameron or someone else would publicly mention Ceuta
and that the inhabitants want to return to Morocco !
It would be interesting to see what the reaction to this
would be from the Spanish Gov't.
Maybe the UK media should be shouting out about
it a bit more to stir the pot.
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Cueta
The UK not mentioning Cueta may be wise. What happens if Madrid decide "it's a fair cop, handing back Cueta will get all the other EU states and the other permanent members of the Security Council on side to our claim for Gib". Where does that leave HMG? We handed over HK island and Kowloon south of Boundary Rd notwithstanding the perpetuity in the Treaty of Nanking.
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3 large grey boats on the way
British warships set sail for Gibraltar in show of strength as diplomatic row over border controls deepens | Mail Online
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...-for-cougar-13
British warships set sail for Gibraltar in show of strength as diplomatic row over border controls deepens | Mail Online
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...-for-cougar-13
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I was there with 4 Jags from RAFG when the border opened, prior to that, all flights in and out avoided Spanish airspace.
I would imagine these days the local Spanish employment and economy is intertwined with that of the rock, closing the border or putting any restrictions on it would cause a backlash on the Spanish Government. With tourism etc it tends to be a one way traffic, British to Spain and not the other way round.. The way their country is at the moment it feels like the game the Argies are playing, cause a furore over something that is a National passion to try and deflect the publics gaze from the real issues with the economy.
I would imagine these days the local Spanish employment and economy is intertwined with that of the rock, closing the border or putting any restrictions on it would cause a backlash on the Spanish Government. With tourism etc it tends to be a one way traffic, British to Spain and not the other way round.. The way their country is at the moment it feels like the game the Argies are playing, cause a furore over something that is a National passion to try and deflect the publics gaze from the real issues with the economy.
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My thoughts ...
We need someone with highly developed diplomatic skills who is also skilled at achieving a negotiated settlement ...
This chap (the one on the left) gets my vote
We need someone with highly developed diplomatic skills who is also skilled at achieving a negotiated settlement ...
This chap (the one on the left) gets my vote
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"it's a fair cop, handing back Cueta will get all the other EU states and the other permanent members of the Security Council on side to our claim for Gib". Where does that leave HMG? We handed over HK island and Kowloon south of Boundary Rd notwithstanding the perpetuity in the Treaty of Nanking.
Ceuta and Melilla were annexed by Spain by force and their "ownership"has never been ratified by any treaty, afaik.
Gibraltar, on the other hand, was formally signed over to the UK by Spain in perpetuity at the treaty of Utrecht - an unimpeachable contract.
To demonstrate the UK's sometimes excessive adherence to the rules HK was offered back to China f.o.c, to China's amazement, as they hadn't noticed/remembered the treaty that gave it back after - what - 100 years or something? They thought we were utterly nuts to have volunteered to give away such a valuable asset. All for the sake of "playing the game" and "sportsmanship".
And people expect us to abandon legally held Gib?
Are they f£ck!ng insane???