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Indeed but Daring is an entire Class (all half dozen of them), not just a single ship. 
I can't really answer your question but it might be worth remembering that the Navy views an embarked aircraft as just another weapon. Their Lordships took a risk by gashing the SHARs to save money. They were content that they had an alternative weapon in the Harrier 7, albeit only a mud moving one. When their Airships were cornered into gashing the Harriers to save money, it did rather bugger things up. The Navy did not have enough Budget to operate their share of the Harrier force and cover what was previously the Air Force's share of the Harrier Support Chain. That left us with warships fitted for but not with certain weapons: aeroplanes. Their Lordships believed that it was better and more flexible to have ships that Allies could arm with their weapons than have weapons needing Allied ships to deploy them. Just my view on it, for what it's worth.
Originally Posted by Coochycool
which way would you have gone? Fraid I'm ignorant of the relative savings but would Lusty have been a fair cop in order to retain even a handful of SHARS?
I can't really answer your question but it might be worth remembering that the Navy views an embarked aircraft as just another weapon. Their Lordships took a risk by gashing the SHARs to save money. They were content that they had an alternative weapon in the Harrier 7, albeit only a mud moving one. When their Airships were cornered into gashing the Harriers to save money, it did rather bugger things up. The Navy did not have enough Budget to operate their share of the Harrier force and cover what was previously the Air Force's share of the Harrier Support Chain. That left us with warships fitted for but not with certain weapons: aeroplanes. Their Lordships believed that it was better and more flexible to have ships that Allies could arm with their weapons than have weapons needing Allied ships to deploy them. Just my view on it, for what it's worth.
As a start...how about imposing hefty restrictions on all Iberian Aircraft wanting to use UK air traffic facilities and airports?
Oh...for Iberia read BA, of course....Bugger!
Perhaps we could do a Cyprus and "liberate" cash from UK Santander savings over a certain amount......
Oh...for Iberia read BA, of course....Bugger!
Perhaps we could do a Cyprus and "liberate" cash from UK Santander savings over a certain amount......
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I hear what you say with regard to exercise planning and the NATO pre match huddles v the Latin patriotic verve and zeal, but sending an aircraft carrier with no aeroplanes is an own goal. Bit like turning up at the golf course with a caddy and no clubs? Image is everything and the image of an empty carrier (shown being towed backwards out of Portsmouth on the BBC) sailing off to the scene of sovereignty squabbles, is not a good one at all - signals we are impotent.
I am surprised that the admiralty allowed themselves to be out manoeuvred by Gordon Brown and his gang - is that true if so its incredible!
EM
I hear what you say with regard to exercise planning and the NATO pre match huddles v the Latin patriotic verve and zeal, but sending an aircraft carrier with no aeroplanes is an own goal. Bit like turning up at the golf course with a caddy and no clubs? Image is everything and the image of an empty carrier (shown being towed backwards out of Portsmouth on the BBC) sailing off to the scene of sovereignty squabbles, is not a good one at all - signals we are impotent.
I am surprised that the admiralty allowed themselves to be out manoeuvred by Gordon Brown and his gang - is that true if so its incredible!
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but sending an aircraft carrier with no aeroplanes is an own goal
Well this point has been pointed out several times already, and it will rankle if for example even the co-operative NATO aspect of the Spaniards send something up to look at Lusty and we have nothing with which to meet them.
As earlier alluded to by GOLF BZ, the disjointed set of events responsible for this farce is surely indicative of more than cost cutting, it is lack of cross-force co-ordination due to bungling at Whitehall. If youre going to downsize your mantle a la Options For Change, then there should at least have been a degree of foresight.
Anyway, as this thread is about the current Gib situ, what to do about it?
Well I wouldnt take the bait by overt show of force anyhow, that would be the proverbial red cape to the bull. Much more subtle (and more British) would be for example a visit by the Reds at end of season. Put their jets in the circuit at evening rush hour, effectively closing the border, then let the disgruntled Spanish workers trying to get home do the rest. They'll soon let their local MP know what they think.
Just an idea
As earlier alluded to by GOLF BZ, the disjointed set of events responsible for this farce is surely indicative of more than cost cutting, it is lack of cross-force co-ordination due to bungling at Whitehall. If youre going to downsize your mantle a la Options For Change, then there should at least have been a degree of foresight.
Anyway, as this thread is about the current Gib situ, what to do about it?
Well I wouldnt take the bait by overt show of force anyhow, that would be the proverbial red cape to the bull. Much more subtle (and more British) would be for example a visit by the Reds at end of season. Put their jets in the circuit at evening rush hour, effectively closing the border, then let the disgruntled Spanish workers trying to get home do the rest. They'll soon let their local MP know what they think.
Just an idea
Nice one Fox3.
A double whammy even.
They want queues, they can have queues on the ground, queues overhead.
Is this traffic inbound to Gib, Malaga or in general? Yeah, lets stack up Madrid with a pile of Ryanair jets on minimal fuel!
A double whammy even.
They want queues, they can have queues on the ground, queues overhead.
Is this traffic inbound to Gib, Malaga or in general? Yeah, lets stack up Madrid with a pile of Ryanair jets on minimal fuel!
Last edited by Coochycool; 13th Aug 2013 at 17:29.
