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Old 25th May 2013, 11:39
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Be careful what you post - some less restrained individuals have been on the receiving end of "the knock".

Woolwich murder sparks anti-Muslim backlash
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Changes in society arn't all for the better & I wasn't defending the left or right or attacking you as an individual,but if you believe its all the left or right your missing the point.
If you firstly accept the premise that society exists (I do),it isn't just made up of politicians (although they can profoundly affect it).
It's individuals,my basic philosophy is to do unto others.
If I see people doing awful things, I react to them as individuals I don't damn whole religions or race's.

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Old 25th May 2013, 12:11
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If you consider him to be a true representative of a major, worldwide religion, I would seriously question your judgement
That's a big "If" SOSL !

I stated a simple and true fact :-

Overlooking completely the established fact that they were self-proclaimed and known muslims !
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Old 25th May 2013, 12:18
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Overlooking completely the established fact that they were self-proclaimed and known muslims !
So ergo all Muslims are murderous scumbags ? If not,then the fact that they were Muslims means precisely what ?
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Old 25th May 2013, 12:35
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Some serious leaping and hopping going on here today !!

So ergo all Muslims are murderous scumbags ? If not,then the fact that they were Muslims means precisely what ?
Watch the full video or read the transcript, then come back and tell me precisely what it means.
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Old 25th May 2013, 12:47
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Weird ! No leaping or hopping.
Those people were & are scum for what they did. I'll re-phrase the question;the fact the're muslims means precisely what ? You seem to be trying to articulate something,what is it ?

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Old 25th May 2013, 12:52
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Let's establish a core fact.

Were the perpetrators muslim or were they not ?
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Old 25th May 2013, 12:54
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Yes,as noted in mine & others previous post.
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Old 25th May 2013, 13:13
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Struggling to see where you are going with this so let me wind back a bit.

Post 142 Cows getting bigger states :-

As for the Woolwich chaps - criminals, nothing more.
Based ot the muslim spout from the muslim perpetrator, I reply in post 145 :-

Overlooking completely the established fact that they were self-proclaimed and known muslims !!
So, what now ?

PS. Make this quick, I am off out for a bike ride shortly.

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Old 25th May 2013, 13:16
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They are islamofascists,believe in an empty,false ideoolgy & are muslims. They committed a heinous act against a young soldier,who absolutely didn't deserve it,but it doesn't mean all muslims or the muslim faith is evil.

As a former servicemen, from a service family (I have a brother in Afghanistan & son about to join the RN,) who has lived all over the world. I have have met many tw@ts of many races & religions, I try not to base my feelings of dislike on race or religion. It seems some individuals on this thread are doing prcisely the opposite & i can never agree with that.
RIP Lee Rigby
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Old 25th May 2013, 13:22
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Much easier for me.

Far from being "Islamophobic", I simply dislike islam, and what it has become.

Cheers
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Old 25th May 2013, 16:37
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Ref post145; Choudary was born and raised here, as he pointed out on a sky news interview the other day.

The women who protected and tried to comfort Drummer Rigby, and the woman who confronted the attacker deserve recognition. While we have women like that in Britain, the terrorist just isn't going to win.
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Ref post145; Choudary was born and raised here, as he pointed out on a sky news interview the other day.
Don't understand the connection. Could you elucidate pls ?

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Old 25th May 2013, 17:10
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El G, that's not a big if, that's just an ordinary if. If you don't understand the point - I think it was well made.

Being a Muslim does not mean being a murderer. It may surprise you to learn that non-muslims can also be murderers. For instance:

  • Beverley Allitt – aka "Angel of Death"; paediatric nurse who killed four babies in her care and injured at least nine others; sentenced to life imprisonment in 1991.
  • Robert Black – Scottish schoolgirl killer; convicted of three murders, suspected of many more.
  • Ian Brady and Myra Hindley – aka "Moors Murderers"; murdered five children, aged between 10 and 17 and buried them in Saddleworth Moor.
  • Donald Neilson – aka "Black Panther; killed four people, including heiress Lesley Whittle.
  • Dennis Nilsen – killer of 15 (possibly 16) men between 1978 and 1983.
  • Colin Norris – nurse convicted of killing four patients in Leeds hospitals.
  • George Joseph Smith – aka "The Brides in the Bath"; killer of three women.
  • John Straffen – child killer and Britain's longest serving prisoner until his death on November 19, 2007.
  • Fred West and Rosemary West – aka "House of Horrors"; she was convicted of 10 murders; both are believed to have tortured and murdered at least 12 young women between 1967 and 1987, many at the couple's home in Gloucester; he committed suicide in 1995 while awaiting trial.
  • Steve Wright – aka "The Suffolk Strangler" or "The Ipswich Ripper"; killed 5 women in six weeks around Ipswich in late 2006.
  • Graham Young – aka "The Teacup Poisoner"; killed three people from 1962 to 1971.
Ill informed, bigoted, self-serving opinions expressed in public only serve the interests of the extremist morons.

Rgd SOS

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Old 25th May 2013, 17:46
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Excuse me for being blunt, but are you really trying to say that I think that being a muslim makes one a murderer and that somehow I am unaware that non muslims ealso capable of murder.

We are getting a bit, well, basic here are we not
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Old 25th May 2013, 17:53
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Police Armed? OMG

Still trying to figure out why British police are not trusted to carry fire arms. Despite what the mainsteam media write, in the USA thousands of crimes are prevented each year by citizens with concealed carry permits. Too bad one of them wasn't nearby to save this young soldier's life.
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Old 25th May 2013, 18:02
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Petercwelch,

If all our policemen were armed, they still wouldn't have saved him unless one or more of them happened to be there when this happened. Given that you and I both live in countries where we can get a pizza to our doors faster than a cop - on occassions - I think you may see what I mean.

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Old 25th May 2013, 18:03
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So why did not the barrack (armed soldiers) come to help?

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Old 25th May 2013, 18:10
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Excuse me for being blunt, but are you really trying to say that I think that being a muslim makes one a murderer
That seemed to me what you were implying.That's why I asked what exactly you were trying to articulate.The Impression you 'seemed' to give me & appears one other, is that all muslims are the same.
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Old 25th May 2013, 18:17
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woptb, I was going to prefix this post using the words "sorry but" or similar, but I would have been lying.

Leaps to conclusion of the nature and quality of yours are more akin to those heard in a primary school or kindergarten.

Go away and bother someone else you silly fellow
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