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SASless,
"Big Question for you who embrace "Unarmed Police"....would it have saved a life in this case if the Plod had been armed with guns?"
Absolutely not.
A hundred thousand armed Police on the streets of London would not have save that life. If, as appears to have happened, it was a targeted running down of this individual with a car followed by an attempt to behead him and be filmed doing it, armed Police would have made not one jot of difference.
The alleged murderers made no attempt to kill or even harm anyone else after the event, they were filmed talking about it by numerous passers by on their mobile phone cameras, hence the widely shown footage of the seemingly calm and articulate guy of Caribbean appearance and a South London accent making the apology and political statement.
What there WAS today was yet another display of bravery and fortitude by the people of this City. By the folk who were remonstrating with the two murderers, the folk who tried to aid, comfort and shield the victim, who I sincerely hope was either killed or rendered unconscious in the collision with the car before the attempted beheading.
We do NOT need or want every Police Officer on the streets of LOndon to be armed. There is no need or justification for it. Our rates of gun crime are incredibly low and mainly concern feuding between drug dealers and rival gangs.
"Big Question for you who embrace "Unarmed Police"....would it have saved a life in this case if the Plod had been armed with guns?"
Absolutely not.
A hundred thousand armed Police on the streets of London would not have save that life. If, as appears to have happened, it was a targeted running down of this individual with a car followed by an attempt to behead him and be filmed doing it, armed Police would have made not one jot of difference.
The alleged murderers made no attempt to kill or even harm anyone else after the event, they were filmed talking about it by numerous passers by on their mobile phone cameras, hence the widely shown footage of the seemingly calm and articulate guy of Caribbean appearance and a South London accent making the apology and political statement.
What there WAS today was yet another display of bravery and fortitude by the people of this City. By the folk who were remonstrating with the two murderers, the folk who tried to aid, comfort and shield the victim, who I sincerely hope was either killed or rendered unconscious in the collision with the car before the attempted beheading.
We do NOT need or want every Police Officer on the streets of LOndon to be armed. There is no need or justification for it. Our rates of gun crime are incredibly low and mainly concern feuding between drug dealers and rival gangs.
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Meanwhile in Sweden the followers of the R.of P. are rioting for the third night running while the Daily mail is contributing to the debate with a story about the E.D.L.
Plenty of Knife violence it seems.
We were warned that these kinds of attacks would become the method of choice for the Islamic Terrorists.....one or two individuals operating independently on random targets. Guess there was some good intelligence analysis in that regard.
A terrible tragedy for sure.....makes one wonder why the gallant folk engaged the killers in conversation....as giving these scumbags an audience is part of what they seek when doing these murderous acts.
Shame they lived after being shot by the Police.
We were warned that these kinds of attacks would become the method of choice for the Islamic Terrorists.....one or two individuals operating independently on random targets. Guess there was some good intelligence analysis in that regard.
A terrible tragedy for sure.....makes one wonder why the gallant folk engaged the killers in conversation....as giving these scumbags an audience is part of what they seek when doing these murderous acts.
Shame they lived after being shot by the Police.
SASless,
Well, if knife crime was so prevalent then a serious stabbing incident would not still be headline news, which it is. Even one of course would be one too many, but we have to keep this in context, it IS a City of eight and a half million people after all. In the same vein we have also only had two terrorist related attacks in London in eight years.
A terrible tragedy is most certainly is, but we have to face the fact that this is all linked to western foreign policy over the last decade, an unmitigated and complete disaster.
As to the folk engaging the guy on camera, you really have to look at in context. A sudden and unexpected squealing of tyres and brakes and a crash as a car hits a pedestrian and then a road sign, followed by two guys leaping out of the car and dragging another guy out from under the car and into the middle of the road and seeming to be helping him. It must have come as a shock to realise just what they were actually doing, or trying to do. As someone said on here, you see what you think is happening, and what makes sense under the circumstances, rather than the incredibly unlikely and incredible reality of what actually is happening.
I am glad that they are both still alive. They can be questioned, others involved held to account, their friendships and relationships investigated, and then tried and jailed for a LONG time. We've had enough killing for now.
Well, if knife crime was so prevalent then a serious stabbing incident would not still be headline news, which it is. Even one of course would be one too many, but we have to keep this in context, it IS a City of eight and a half million people after all. In the same vein we have also only had two terrorist related attacks in London in eight years.
A terrible tragedy is most certainly is, but we have to face the fact that this is all linked to western foreign policy over the last decade, an unmitigated and complete disaster.
As to the folk engaging the guy on camera, you really have to look at in context. A sudden and unexpected squealing of tyres and brakes and a crash as a car hits a pedestrian and then a road sign, followed by two guys leaping out of the car and dragging another guy out from under the car and into the middle of the road and seeming to be helping him. It must have come as a shock to realise just what they were actually doing, or trying to do. As someone said on here, you see what you think is happening, and what makes sense under the circumstances, rather than the incredibly unlikely and incredible reality of what actually is happening.
I am glad that they are both still alive. They can be questioned, others involved held to account, their friendships and relationships investigated, and then tried and jailed for a LONG time. We've had enough killing for now.
Gee....imprisoned for a LONG time.....seems a just punishment for the crimes they committed now don't it!
The Liberal sense of justice just slays me it does.
The Liberal sense of justice just slays me it does.
SASless.
"The Liberal sense of justice just slays me it does."
...and the total hypocrisy of killing someone because they killed someone doesn't?
"The Liberal sense of justice just slays me it does."
...and the total hypocrisy of killing someone because they killed someone doesn't?
Big Question for you who embrace "Unarmed Police"....would it have saved a life in this case if the Plod had been armed with guns?
Having seen the video of the attacker talking to the camera, I'm bemused as to where exactly they are from? He talks about women witnessing atrocities in "our country" but is clearly of African descent but sounds more like a Brit than an African immigrant. So which country is he talking about??? (not that it matters for the poor victim
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Pr00ne....the Liberal mind must be a very confused thing if you cannot grasp the absolute finality of dropping those two evil bastards in their tracks.....and that fact having done so....there is absolutely no chance they shall ever be able to harm another human being. We do put down Rabid Dogs do we not....what is the difference with these two?
Perhaps you see them as vicitms of an unfair World....they did not get their morning porridge every day or they suffered some slight by someone with a pale skin in their past or something.....but they forfeited any claim to humane treatment by the sheer evil of their actions.
We will never agree so no need arguing.
Just as I find their crimes evil....I find the Liberal mindset over Murder to just as disgusting. Liberals are all for killing so long as it is Abortion....where the innocent are murdered but they get their noses out of joint if the Guilty are killed.
That paradox just defies explanation.
Perhaps you see them as vicitms of an unfair World....they did not get their morning porridge every day or they suffered some slight by someone with a pale skin in their past or something.....but they forfeited any claim to humane treatment by the sheer evil of their actions.
We will never agree so no need arguing.
Just as I find their crimes evil....I find the Liberal mindset over Murder to just as disgusting. Liberals are all for killing so long as it is Abortion....where the innocent are murdered but they get their noses out of joint if the Guilty are killed.
That paradox just defies explanation.
SASless,
Oh dear, a pro-life pro-capital punisher. No wonder you are confused!
I regard all killing as evil.
These two were stopped by the Police, job done. Now we can find out a lot more about them, like why they did it and who assisted them. Pretty hard to do that with a corpse.
Oh dear, a pro-life pro-capital punisher. No wonder you are confused!
I regard all killing as evil.
These two were stopped by the Police, job done. Now we can find out a lot more about them, like why they did it and who assisted them. Pretty hard to do that with a corpse.
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Proone,
I fully agree that capturing the murderers alive is a good thing. They can be interrogated, waterboarded, whatever, to extract any useful information.
However, once that process is complete, I see no reason why they deserve to live. I know the law as it stands offers a right to life, but I would strongly advocate a return to capital punishment for this kind of crime.
This kind of behaviour in the early 60s would have seen them swing. What is so fundamentally different now? Nothing, so far as I can see.
I fully agree that capturing the murderers alive is a good thing. They can be interrogated, waterboarded, whatever, to extract any useful information.
However, once that process is complete, I see no reason why they deserve to live. I know the law as it stands offers a right to life, but I would strongly advocate a return to capital punishment for this kind of crime.
This kind of behaviour in the early 60s would have seen them swing. What is so fundamentally different now? Nothing, so far as I can see.
Yet pr-oone it ended only when a trained, armed officer stepped in and shot them. None of this "stop or I'll yell stop again" crap
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.....the seemingly calm and articulate guy of Caribbean appearance and a South London accent making the apology and political statement.
Although these murderers quite clearly deserve the death penalty, lily-livered weak judiciary won't even give them a smack on the wrist. They'll probably end up in some prison crawling with their 'bruvs' who they will attempt to radicalise.
At least your fellow-travellers in Mother Russia have suitable prisons for scum such as these, Comrade - Black Dolphin, Sol-Iletsk, for example. From which the only way out is up the crematorium chimney.
This kind of behaviour in the early 60s would have seen them swing.
Whereas nowadays, London is a wretched place barely recognisable as an English city.
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I regard all killing as evil.
If you have to take a life to save a life, how about that? Evil? I don't think so...
LJ
Take it from the source, Sassless; as in:
What is an unmitigated disaster is that the foregoing pompous blather is what is now acceptable by the majority of Brits in their smug self absorbtion all the while their little island empire is slowly but surely being destroyed by the insidious culture of Islam.
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A terrible tragedy is most certainly is, but we have to face the fact that this is all linked to western foreign policy over the last decade, an unmitigated and complete disaster.
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Well we now have the unpleasant fact to face that we will be paying for them to live in comfort for the rest of there miserable lives, lets just let shoot them after the trial I'm sure there will be no shortage of squaddies ready to do the deed.
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when they should actually be showing the footage of the Lady Shooter taking
them down.
Why does no video exist of the police shooting them ?
...and the total hypocrisy of killing someone because they killed someone doesn't?
In answer to your question above: no it doesn't. These guys did it, they don't deny it, there is video of them doing it. We will now waste £10s of thousands of pounds saving their lives. We will then waste significant amounts of money prosecuting them, whilst liberal bleeding heart lawyers will make huge amounts of money pointlessly try to defend the indefensible and arguing over points of law. (Any lawyer that even considers taking the defence is part of the problem). And then we will waste untold amounts of money keeping them in jail. No doubt they will then be released early because life no longer means life.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
I would even start to worry that jails were not safe for honest white criminals.
I see both sides of the argument but quite agree that instead of swift justice this will drag on for years when really what is there to argue about?
The question was asked about the armed guards in the barracks. I think ROE would permit them to assist except that they could have been inhibited by the presence of civilians.
What is to be done? No idea. Someone, and I can't remember where, predicted a civil war in this country. This is a tragic step in that direction. Before someone says it was two attackers and one victim, so too did WW1 start.
I see both sides of the argument but quite agree that instead of swift justice this will drag on for years when really what is there to argue about?
The question was asked about the armed guards in the barracks. I think ROE would permit them to assist except that they could have been inhibited by the presence of civilians.
What is to be done? No idea. Someone, and I can't remember where, predicted a civil war in this country. This is a tragic step in that direction. Before someone says it was two attackers and one victim, so too did WW1 start.