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Here it comes: Syria

Old 14th Apr 2018, 04:51
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Yes - what's with this all singing, all dancing `feared' S-400 that can hold everything out to Cyprus, down to Israel and up to Turkey at threat?
There are reportedly at least two in the area.
Russians supposedly not given a heads up; so did they or the Syrians choose not to use it?
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 04:56
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From the MOD statement:

The UK element of the carefully coordinated joint action was contributed by four Royal Air Force Tornado GR4s.
We appreciate the UK's enormous level of support in our military actions.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 07:25
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A face saving strike where the combatants signalled their intentions well in advance. The S400 did not fire at the GR4s and a handful of missiles hit a few sites around Damascus.

In next weeks news a dozen innocent people die in London as an IS radical plows van into crowd...says its revenge for Syria.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 08:31
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a handful of missiles hit a few sites around Damascus.
About 120 I believe - and there are reports of B-1 involvement.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 09:10
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BBC also reporting use of Storm Shadow- the footage (MOD released) clearly shows each aircraft carrying a pair each. Target was on CW precursors just outside Homs.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 09:23
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Below the line, what valuable target can be hit if strikes are announced days ahead? You could even see the Russian navy moving out ships out of their base for days and their air defence looks like having remained silent. So everything was agreed before? Even Israel seems to pre-coordinate things with Russia these days.

So is this more than a show? Not exactly some credible chemical weapons deterrence it seems. Two days of evening headlines news and this was it.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 09:35
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Russian defence ministry now claiming Syria AD downed 150 of the 120 missiles launched against the country...
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 09:39
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This is all a bit worrying.
There's a farm just a few yards from us with a shed full of "precursors"
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 09:39
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Russian defence ministry now claiming Syria AD downed 150 of the 120 missiles launched against the country...


Sounds like a pretty formidable IADS they have there.....
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 09:41
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BBC now reporting that there will be no retrospective vote to approve last nights strikes.......
Its a bit late anyway now anyway?
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Bigpants
In next weeks news a dozen innocent people die in London as an IS radical plows van into crowd...says its revenge for Syria
If there’s any revenge from this it won’t be from IS; they and all the other Sunni Islamist nutters are opposed to Assad so will presumably be happy to see his stuff getting broken. It will be Iran, Hezbollah or more likely Russia that does something about it...

So is this more than a show? ... Two days of evening headlines news and this was it
Everyone talks about how Putin plays the West, but I’ve actually quite enjoyed watching the West play him back. He doesn’t like it does he? Lots more to come ‘out of sight’ on this I fancy.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 10:30
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The west responded way better to Skripal than to Assad.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 10:44
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
From the MOD statement:



We appreciate the UK's enormous level of support in our military actions.

It’s the easiest way to avoid US ‘blue on blue’ attacks.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 11:42
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
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Russians supposedly not given a heads up;
Do not worry, "nessun dorma"

It was announced earlier that the Russians would only respond if the US & Co shoot at them. Nobody did, even no threat in the areas where two Russian bases are located. Thus, why to respond?

Lots of data concerning the western attack have been collected and are/will be analyzed, good.


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...or the Syrians choose not to use it?
It seems that the Syrians used everything they had in terms of AD: C-125, C-200, 1st gen of BuK and 2-3 other types of AD systems, still from the times of Soviet Union. They even do not have C-300, while they were sold to Cyprus/Greece in 90's.

I wonder what exactly the intercept ratio was (per type of missile and per type of AD complex). First announcements differ greatly and seem not trustworthy. Western leaders are just saying that the goals have been achieved, which sounds vague. Conversely, the Russian MoD gives too detailed numbers, which I doubt a lot (i.e. 71 missile intercepted of 100+ and also split is provided per attacked facility/airbase):
https://function.mil.ru/news_page/[email protected]

It's in Russian but autotranslation should work...
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 12:24
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Now who said it was a good idea to retire the Tornado fleet?
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
From the MOD statement:



We appreciate the UK's enormous level of support in our military actions.
Well, probably that's most of the functioning a/c that we have available when matched against all the (competing) current threats and requirements?
As a very-ex-Superpower we have to deal with reality, not fantasy.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Strumble Head View Post
Well, probably that's most of the functioning a/c that we have available when matched against all the (competing) current threats and requirements?
As a very-ex-Superpower we have to deal with reality, not fantasy.
Support is not just missiles on target though is it.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 12:54
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Seriously, well done to those involved and one hopes everyone arrived home and continues to arrive home safely from any continuing operations.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 12:58
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“Enormous level of support..?” Come on, we know US isn’t short of airframes and could easily have deployed another four -or forty of your own. But that’s hardly the point. In terms of mandate, a coordinated strike by three of five perm Security Council members plays enormously better that a solo act.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 13:29
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Now who said it was a good idea to retire the Tornado fleet?
A really good point. The aircraft which has been and still is the go to attack jet for well over 35 years is being retired simply on lack of funds grounds. I struggle to understand why we are doing so when Italy will continue to operate Tornado until 2027, Germany until 2030 at least and Saudi Arabia for many years to come. The RAF must have plenty of spares from the RTP programme so as to maintain GR4 until F35 becomes fully operational.
Yes I know that Typhoon is scheduled to take over Tornado roles at the end of this year. But that will leave the RAF totally reliant on Typhoon alone and without the same recce capabilities.
This must be the stupidest decision and one I am sure we will regret...
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