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Here it comes: Syria

Old 13th Apr 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Russia hasn't got a long range OTH radar which covers the region.
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You said. Not the Russians
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 17:14
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Nobody has. The mountain terrain north, east and west precludes a long range OTH and Syria and Lebanon don’t have coastal VHF surface wave radars. Israel probably has - but that wouldn’t help the Syrians much.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 17:26
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Russia claiming they have evidence of who carried out the chemical attack on Douma. Can you guess who they say the evidence implicates ....



“We have .. evidence that proves Britain was directly involved in organizing this provocation,” defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said during a televised briefing.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1HK24P





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Old 13th Apr 2018, 17:45
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The Russians have a real thing about English Spies... if only they really were so effective.......
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 18:29
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The Iranians will believe them. We are the “Little Satan” after all - and they have long believed we are the Machiavellian schemers leading on the gullible Americans...
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 19:52
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In a roundabout way it’s a compliment; even during Cold War they believed all James Bond gadgets were real, and they’ve used the phrase “licenced to kill” in present crisis. But none of that turns bombarding Syria, with the possible exception of confirmed CW sites, into a good idea.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 20:44
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Feels like a bit of a set-up for a strike on UK military locations or ships/aircraft i.e. if Russians are killed during a strike on Syria, attacking British mil is a slightly less confrontational way of seriously hitting back than hitting US mil. They are certainly are pretty p***** off with the UK for the global reaction to Salisbury. Testing Britain, NATO and Trump, with just enough to leave some wriggle-room to de-escalate
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 20:52
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It’s an odd one. The “it could have been staged by the rebels” and “what good can come of intervention?” viewpoints were really starting to gain traction in the UK; in fact General Jonathan Shaw was making just that point on Sky News when he was inexplicably cut off earlier today. The tide was certainly running against action, in my view anyway. This accusation by Russia makes it a lot harder for those viewpoints to get a fair hearing and if anything strengthens the Government’s case for action. Do we think Russia actually *wants* us to attack so that it can exploit divisions in the aftermath?
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 22:17
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter View Post
Russia claiming they have evidence of who carried out the chemical attack on Douma. Can you guess who they say the evidence implicates ....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1HK24P

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Russians trying to cash in and spin on the recent propaganda story that UK Special Forces were captured near Damascus as the Syrians advanced.

Iran's news agency Fars, which is heavily linked to the government, claimed a number of British forces were being held captive by the Syrian army in the Eastern Ghouta region near the capital Damascus.

The report, quoting the Lebanese news channel al-Mayadeen’s correspondent in Moscow, added the forces were captured after “infiltrating” the region for the last month as part of a plot involving “terrorists and NATO forces" to attack Damascus.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...aptured-troops
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:17
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This is all starting to look rather complex, and definitely not helped by Trump's first "missiles are coming" tweet (which must have had the US miltary top brass doing somersaults!).

Although the Maybot is an inadequate fool, I do feel for her right now as she's kind of damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. If I was in her position I'd pluck for the parliamentary vote and keep fingers crossed it gets voted down - then at least she can say she tried. And, in the meanwhile hopefully things will de-escalate.

I'm not exactly one for appeasement, but as somebody pointed out above, with two lunatics in charge of things (Putin and Trump) the last thing we want to do is provoke even further, surely?
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:20
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Originally Posted by Easy Street View Post
It’s an odd one. The “it could have been staged by the rebels” and “what good can come of intervention?” viewpoints were really starting to gain traction in the UK; in fact General Jonathan Shaw was making just that point on Sky News when he was inexplicably cut off earlier today. The tide was certainly running against action, in my view anyway. This accusation by Russia makes it a lot harder for those viewpoints to get a fair hearing and if anything strengthens the Government’s case for action. Do we think Russia actually *wants* us to attack so that it can exploit divisions in the aftermath?
Saw that myself on sky, I was aghast that they chopped him mid sentence when it became obvious he had an alternative viewpoint. Very sinister.........
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 00:00
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a distinct smell of fish detected!
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 00:05
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a distinct smell of fish detected!
Indeed, not that subtle either!

Although the Maybot is an inadequate fool, I do feel for her right now as she's kind of damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. If I was in her position I'd pluck for the parliamentary vote and keep fingers crossed it gets voted down - then at least she can say she tried. And, in the meanwhile hopefully things will de-escalate.
If its voted down, she is out, and she knows it, hence avoidance of that route.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 01:27
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A co-ordinated missile strike to "punish" Assad and warn Putin
A golden opportunity for an operational trial of the S-400 system - the one manned by the Syrian Army of course.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 02:06
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Trump on air now.
US, UK and France have launched strikes.
AP reporting explosions heard in Damascus.
Pentagon briefing in 50 minutes.

EDIT : Interestingly, both aircraft and ships used - JASSM and Stormshadow?
Strikes reported in several districts around Damascus.
Already video on Twitter.
CNN reporting RAF Tornado GR4s fired Stormshadows at facilities around Homs.

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Old 14th Apr 2018, 02:39
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Originally Posted by reynoldsno1 View Post
A golden opportunity for an operational trial of the S-400 system - the one manned by the Syrian Army of course.
...not forgetting that old adage that 'tracer (missiles) go both ways..'
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 03:11
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Gen Dunford just said no Russian SAMs - just Syrian.
CNN also report Bones used.
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 03:15
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Pentagon briefing

No response by Russian forces. No coordination or advance notice of targets given to Russians except usual daily airspace coordination message from the CAOC in Qatar last night.

Attack was made against three Syrian targets A CW storage site, an HQ and a CW research facility at 2100 EST. Attack was made with both cruise missiles and manned aircraft. uS, British and French forces used in the attack.

BDR will take place overnight and a further briefing will be given tomorrow morning at 0900 EST.

I will be interested to see what weapons were used against the storage site to minimise the release and spread of the CW in the local area.

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Old 14th Apr 2018, 03:30
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Attack was made against three Syrian CW storage sites and command centres at 2100 EST.
For clarity, the attack was at 9 pm Eastern Daylight Time (EDT, not EST), i.e. 0100Z.

Some eyewitness reports and video starting to come in on Syrian TV:

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Old 14th Apr 2018, 03:59
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@alibunkallsky (Sky News) reporting all four Tornados returned safely. How’s about that then, Van?

The Pentagon press conference said that around double the number of missiles were fired compared to the Shayrat attack, which would make 120ish. Syrian TV is claiming 13 shot down. Not a great advertisement for the vaunted anti-missile capabilities, in fact a significant embarrassment if true given the rhetoric from Moscow.

I will be interested to see what weapons were used against the storage site to minimise the release and spread of the CW in the local area
MOD Statement

Looks like Storm Shadow was used against stored CW precursors. Presumably they’ll have assessed that releasing precursors in an isolated area would be an acceptable risk.

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