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Old 2nd May 2013, 19:52
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Originally Posted by OutlawPete
Tom it's nothing to do with insecurity. The English are simply closet trannys who are supremely jealous of the fact that us jocks can get away wearing what they consider to be a skirt in public.

That coupled to the fact that the kilt floats their women folks boats gives them an inferiority complex that manifests itself in the purile behaviour demonstrated by some. I add some cos a few of em can handle it!


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Now Outlaw, being an Englishman (not an enggerlander) I think I should resemble that remark. But I must admit, borne by the evidence here, I think you are right fella.

Besides my good lady, a very fine Scottish lass, is standing next to me as I type! I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt that said " No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" and consenting is a national sport in England.

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Hi langleybaston

I think the Scottish Government will want to keep its "Fair, Just and Inclusive" theme going for the Scottish Navy so their flag would be similar to the SAF markings but include a reference to no nuclear submarines within its fleet.

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Oh dear TJ and OPete please ignore me ... I just love a good wind up ... be it dishing it out or being on receiving end

To be serious for one moment

I and the vast majority of my close friends ... many being Scottish ... firmly believe that we are ALL collectively the better for a United Kingdom. If it happens ... it will be a very sad day if Scotland were to leave the Union

Best regards ... Ach aye the noo ...

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Old 2nd May 2013, 20:50
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It will be a sad day if the Country splits, even though my parents family home was 100 yards north of the wall and my family are an old Borders one who were part of the Border Reivers. I would hate to see the Country Split.

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T'was another sad day in our history when we as a family were no longer allowed to roam over the border, raping, pillaging and murdering the Scots... Still, they do say it was a sign of progress........ Sigh


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Old 2nd May 2013, 20:52
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Come on Coffman don't wibble now, stiff upper and all that, what! Nothing wrong with being an engerlander, just how you are, it should be celebrated.

Get the morris dancing kit on and down a few speckleds
you,ll be alright in the morning. Stop asking for consent, celebrate it.

Bowler on standby for incoming as you say what what

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Old 2nd May 2013, 20:57
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We're on the same page mate.

I have too many 'sassenach' friends to ever think differently. But I reserve the the right to take the pi$$ (and to get wound up when I'm on the receiving end!).



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Old 2nd May 2013, 21:01
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Look in all seriousness I do think Outlaw is spot on. There is an inherently deep insecurity in the English psyche we are just so unsure of who we are we automatically denigrate all others. It is our default setting. We will have do do some deep soul searching if Scotland elects to leave the union. Who knows may ultimately be a good thing maybe we will finally be able to leave a lot of the baggage behind.

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Old 3rd May 2013, 12:39
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the Southern Party

BBC News - Kelvin MacKenzie claims London supports rest of UK


"One party not standing in Thursday's elections is the Southern Party, who could speak for the millions of people living in London and south east of England, claims a former newspaper editor."
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Old 3rd May 2013, 14:15
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So there you go , a national emblem , maybe not to the upcoming generation.
One must admit the RAF Round Thing is becoming exceedingly scarce anymore and thus doesn't get seen as often as it once was.
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Old 3rd May 2013, 14:29
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Tom Joad,

Wow, the result of your poll is quite staggering - to me anyway. I liked the "Something to do with the Who". Funny, I think it's a target for the Chancellor too.
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There is an inherently deep insecurity in the English psyche we are just so unsure of who we are we automatically denigrate all others.
I think that statement is inaccurate. The second part could equally apply to the Scots. The one thing that my wife (teacher and Scottish) always says is that English children are always more confident than their Scottish bretheren.

There has always been friendly rivalry between the Scots, English, and to a lesser extent the Welsh. I have a foot in all 3 camps being English born, with a Welsh mother and a Scottish wife and having lived in Scotland for 25yrs. I consider myself British first and English joint second with the others.

It upsets me to see Salmond stirring up anti-UK feelings as I believe we are better as one UK and not splitting up.

Fortunately nearly everybody I know, including those who voted SNP, have indicated they will vote no so I believe the Union will survive but with more devolved power to Scotland.

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The question I want the Government to answer is why there is no English parliament?
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There is an inherently deep insecurity in the English psyche we are just so unsure of who we are we automatically denigrate all others.

I think that statement is inaccurate. The second part could equally apply to the Scots. The one thing that my wife (teacher and Scottish) always says is that English children are always more confident than their Scottish bretheren.

There has always been friendly rivalry between the Scots, English, and to a lesser extent the Welsh. I have a foot in all 3 camps being English born, with a Welsh mother and a Scottish wife and having lived in Scotland for 25yrs. I consider myself British first and English joint second with the others.

It upsets me to see Salmond stirring up anti-UK feelings as I believe we are better as one UK and not splitting up.

Fortunately nearly everybody I know, including those who voted SNP, have indicated they will vote no so I believe the Union will survive but with more devolved power to Scotland.

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The question I want the Government to answer is why there is no English parliament?
Find myself in total agreement with you H-frog. Although Tom has a point about the insecurity issues which I believe are in the BRITISH psyche. We are constantly seeking approval, particularly from across the pond. As a nation we should be more forthright.

Interesting that many posters on here have familes with members from all parts of the UK. Although a Scot, my own family roots are in London and I too am unsettled by Salmonds anti UK rhetoric.


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Old 3rd May 2013, 20:35
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Tom Joad,

Wow, the result of your poll is quite staggering - to me anyway. I liked the "Something to do with the Who". Funny, I think it's a target for the Chancellor too.
Made me chuckle, but how true.
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I think that statement is inaccurate. The second part could equally apply to the Scots. The one thing that my wife (teacher and Scottish) always says is that English children are always more confident than their Scottish bretheren.

It upsets me to see Salmond stirring up anti-UK feelings as I believe we are better as one UK and not splitting up.

Fortunately nearly everybody I know, including those who voted SNP, have indicated they will vote no so I believe the Union will survive but with more devolved power to Scotland.

HF

The question I want the Government to answer is why there is no English parliament?
I don't. It is my honest experience both within the service and out that we are less accepting of other than the Scots. The Scots are far more at home in their skin, they have a ready friendliness which comes easy to them. Having lived all over the UK I have always found the Scots to be the more friendly, the more genuine , the more down to earth. Just my experience, nothing more folks

While I do not agree with Alex Salmond's position I do not get upset nor do I see that he is an instigator somehow driving the call for independence. Look this is part of a long democratic debate in Scotland, it has not just appeared overnight, although the English media never seam to get that (McKenzie et al). I am 100 % behind the Scots having this debate. I think it is only right and proper and its not something to be frightened off. This negative reaction to the debate is again indicative of what I am talking about in the English psyche. If Scotland were to vote for independence then while I would wholly regret and be concerned for what follows for the UK, I would be supportive for Scotland's future as an emerging independent state. I wonder how many like Mr McKenzie with his typical xenophobic outburst would be similarly supportive of our closest friend. When the vote next year is rejected, as I believe and hope it will, the debate on the future direction for devolution in both Scotland and England will be the more interesting.

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Mega Boss visits Scottish-based personnel ...

Chief of the Air Staff pays tribute to the Scottish-based airmen and women defending the UK.



More here ...

CAS RAF Scotland Visit

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NUTloose 1 mile north of the wall is still firmly in England, and the "reivers" who many seen to glamorise romantically were nothing more than cross border thieves and rapists. Funny how that's seen as acceptable if its just one way in favour of the Celts!

I wonder why Mel Gibson never played that one....

Regards from one mile south if the wall.
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During the visit to RAF Leuchars Sir Stephen visited 6 Squadron who have been putting their state-of-the-art multi-role Typhoon jets through their paces in a ground attack role by carrying out training sorties off the Scottish coast
Pays to put in a bit of practice against possible future targets
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Pays to put in a bit of practice against possible future targets
You haven't been reading sisemen, why would the Scots post independence want to target their closets and most important ally.

Oh unless you are talking about the roundel again
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Old 4th May 2013, 08:47
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When Leuchars finally closes and the aircraft have all moved north, will we have the ridiculous situation where the Stn Cdr at Lossiemouth post is changed to an Air Commodore slot on the basis that he is also Air Officer Scotland? (I notice it's no longer Air Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland...)

Do we have an Air Officer Wales? (Job for Stn Cdr at Valley?)

Or are we soon to be in a situation where we have so few flying bases left we decide to "up rank" all Stn Cdr posts at such places to Air Commodore rank? (It would make a good post in the "...you know you've become a Third World airforce when...." thread).

Of course , this will all be irrelevant if Scotland votes for independence!
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Get the morris dancing kit on
I did hear a comment the other day, that the reason Morris Dancers wear bells is so that they can annoy the deaf as well.
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