If Scotland Declares UDI..........
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If Scotland Declares UDI..........
..... I assume that the white St. Andrew's Cross and its blue background will be removed from the Union Flag.
But, will the blue be removed from the RAF roundel?
But, will the blue be removed from the RAF roundel?
I would assume not. The union flag, as I understand it, was designed and approved as a result of the amalgamation of the union of Scotland, England and Wales (is Ireland in there also ?). As such any break up of the union would suggest removal of the departing country's contribution to the flag. The roundel however, is I believe an accepted marking relevant to the Royal Air Force. As, I suspect, Scotland's departure would not mean a title change for the worlds best (though small) Air Force, I believe the markings would remain the same. Hope that makes sense, I'm sure someone who is a font of wisdom will come along and explain it better than I can. 
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Ian ... we've had a go at this one before ... by all means carry on but suggest you don your steel bowler ...
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Ian16th,
I didn't see the other thread either.
The roundel used by the R.A.F. (RFC at the time) Is based on an idea the French had. They used the colours of their flag, but as a roundel. The roundel is a lot easier to see than flags which may be confused. The RFC reversed the colours used by the French and that has become the standard.
Many nations use the roundel, each different. With Scotland becoming an independent nation I am fairly certain that a different roundel, or other form of identification, would be required. Something that is not easily confused with the R.A.F. roundel. You may also find that those who really want independence will want as little as possible to remind them of England.
I didn't see the other thread either.
The roundel used by the R.A.F. (RFC at the time) Is based on an idea the French had. They used the colours of their flag, but as a roundel. The roundel is a lot easier to see than flags which may be confused. The RFC reversed the colours used by the French and that has become the standard.
Many nations use the roundel, each different. With Scotland becoming an independent nation I am fairly certain that a different roundel, or other form of identification, would be required. Something that is not easily confused with the R.A.F. roundel. You may also find that those who really want independence will want as little as possible to remind them of England.
Perhaps we could replace the blue in the Union flag with green from the Welsh flag...
...this would leave the RAF with the same roundel as the Iranian Air Force
...this would leave the RAF with the same roundel as the Iranian Air Force
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They've already started marking up some aircraft for the New Scottish Airforce with blue crosses 
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
Perhaps we could replace the blue in the Union flag with green from the Welsh flag...
...this would leave the RAF with the same roundel as the Iranian Air Force
...this would leave the RAF with the same roundel as the Iranian Air Force
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They've already started marking up some aircraft for the New Scottish Airforce with blue crosses 
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Er St Patrick's Cross?!? The red diagonals. It's the Welsh that are missing from the Union Flag.
I see no reason for the RAF to change their roundels when Scotland declares UDI. The Scots will have to design their own roundel (which could be interesting as most of the blue and white combos are already taken). The RAF will still be the RAF and the RAF's internationally recognised markings are a red, white and blue roundel; therefore absolutely no need to change.
is Ireland in there also ?
I see no reason for the RAF to change their roundels when Scotland declares UDI. The Scots will have to design their own roundel (which could be interesting as most of the blue and white combos are already taken). The RAF will still be the RAF and the RAF's internationally recognised markings are a red, white and blue roundel; therefore absolutely no need to change.
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Well they could replace the red dot with a red thistle or a rampant lion similar to
Scotland Thistle Flag Shield Embroidered Patch sp47
That would then follow the likes of New Zealand and Australia's versions on a theme.
Scotland Thistle Flag Shield Embroidered Patch sp47
That would then follow the likes of New Zealand and Australia's versions on a theme.
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Um, Buster, you'll find that the RAF also used white-and-blue roundels in SEAC (South-East Asia Command) during WW2. They decided that having aircraft flying around with bright red circles on the wings etc tended to cause problems: RAF - The Royal Air Force RoundelThe Royal Air Force Roundel
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The Welsh might have a bit of a prob. It's only a principality not a country which is why its flag does not form part of the Union Flag.
As SGOTD says - the red bit in the roundel was the bit that the Americans fired on (we all know how good they are at identifying friendly forces).
As SGOTD says - the red bit in the roundel was the bit that the Americans fired on (we all know how good they are at identifying friendly forces
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With the Scots well-known cultural propensity for penny-pinching - wouldn't any Scottish Air Force A/C be easily identifiable, by the "X" outlines of the numerous Band-Aids?? 
I can see one on the nose of the A/C in Nutloose's pic already. It's just outlining to the LAME's where they need to position the Band-Aids.
I can see one on the nose of the A/C in Nutloose's pic already. It's just outlining to the LAME's where they need to position the Band-Aids.
Just being pedantic here, but the rounded is not just used by the RAF. It is also displayed on RN and AAC aircraft too.
Personally, I think that a red outer circle with a red dragon in the centre white portion would look nice.
Personally, I think that a red outer circle with a red dragon in the centre white portion would look nice.
2013 - Scotland's First Minister attempts to explain his plans for Scottish independence:
2015 - His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Alhaji Dr. Idi Salmond Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE seen here taking the salute at the annual Independence Day parade:
When asked for a statement, Salmond merely replied "See you Jimmy - d'ya wanna drink, eh? Noo then, get' in mah' belly!"
2015 - His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Alhaji Dr. Idi Salmond Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE seen here taking the salute at the annual Independence Day parade:
When asked for a statement, Salmond merely replied "See you Jimmy - d'ya wanna drink, eh? Noo then, get' in mah' belly!"
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