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Old 4th Jun 2013, 18:54
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So concerns about the fact that foreign diplomats have accused the UK's state broadcaster of, to put it bluntly, spinning their remarks, we can simply put down to Nats in a panic?

I guess that concerns about the fact that news reporting on the part of BBC Scotland in relation to the independence debate appears to be imbalanced, (which far from being denied is actually justified by BBC Scotland because the official campaign hasn't yet begun), we can again simply dismiss as Nats getting into a panic?

Likewise concerns about the fact that BBC Scotland, despite being part of an organisation which claims to be "trustworthy, independent, impartial and honest", has resorted to hiding behind the small print of the FOI Act in order to avoid releasing information which may incriminate senior BBC management, again we can simply put down to Nats getting into a panic? (A senior management which has already been found guilty by the BBC Trust of distorting the agenda of a radio news programme and breaching BBC guidelines).

I could go on, but if all of the above, and more, can be simply put down to Nats in a panic then there's obviously no need to.

I'm glad we sorted that out. Next...

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Old 4th Jun 2013, 20:01
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For those in the STV reception area Road To Referendum is presently airing. Provides a change from the BBC - it's providing a review of the political and cultural drivers since 1945 leading to where we are today. Quite watchable, and not really taking any political side. Curious to see how the Conservatives were once the main party in Scotland now outnumbered by the pandas
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Don't remember the Nats complaining over the years when BBC Scotland gave them a lot of flattering coverage..................

PS what ARE you going to do if you fail???

leave?? I can sends you plans for the "Mayflower"
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Don't remember the Nats complaining over the years when BBC Scotland gave them a lot of flattering coverage..................

PS what ARE you going to do if you fail???

leave?? I can sends you plans for the "Mayflower"
LMFAO

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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
Don't remember the Nats complaining over the years when BBC Scotland gave them a lot of flattering coverage..................

PS what ARE you going to do if you fail???

leave?? I can sends you plans for the "Mayflower"
Ah Harry me old, you are rather naive if you think the referendum alone is the end game. A no vote will not relieve the underlying pressure for constitutional change in Scotland. The economic, social and political drivers for change will remain and increasingly the North of England will find her confidence expressing support for change in England.

To mis quote "its coming home", but like a long lost relative you may not recognise it at first.
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Yes......

The worrying thing is that the kilted jock rockers may actually put pen to paper.......Scary. Written as a Scot and a raving Socialist.
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"the underlying pressure for constitutional change in Scotland."


And who. pay, is going to listen if the country votes NO???

Anyone whining on will be told to go away for another 30-40 years - just like the EU Referendum - it will kill Scottish Nationalism for a generation
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increasingly the North of England will find her confidence expressing support for change in England.
That would be the North of England that voted overwhelmingly to reject 2 Jags Prescott's regional assemblies then. Maybe the English just don't see the need for yet another tier of government bureaucracy
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One of the reasons the North Eastern regional assembly was rejected was because it would have been a toothless organisation. The only things that would have been devolved were the role of what was the Northern Development Agency (that has now been abolished incidentally). I personally voted in favour of it as in my opinion it would have been a step in the right direction - i.e. bringing political power closer to the people - but I can quite understand those that saw it as another layer of ineffective bureaucracy.
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Investment in Scotland

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-22778731

Not so long ago Osborne was telling us how the possibility of independence was frightening off foreign investment here. Either he was wholly inaccurate in his information or just spouting another anti-Scottish scare story. Considering he is entrusted with the economy of the United Kingdom, both excuses are particularly worrying and say great deal more about the man's ability than is comfortable.
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Osborne...

He's feart cos, at Eton they don't quite know how to speak English.....tee hee. (And don't forget Rebecca and the horse, can't wait for the movie).
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Don't believe the hype on the part of the anti's...

In Quebec in 1980 the result was 40.5% Yes, 59.5% No.

15 years later, the result was 49.5% Yes, 50.5% No.

Who knows if/when they'll have another go, but the 1980 result certainly didn't have the outcome in Quebec which you're predicting a similar result would have in Scotland, and the 1995 result was a damned sight closer.

If you seriously believe that a succession of Tory governments at Westminster post 2015, with Tory MPs in Scotland running at single figures, with broken promises from Better Together and zero change to the constitutional settlement, with scare stories being peddled now exposed for what they are, and being dragged out of the EU against the wishes of the majority in Scotland will see not even a whimper from those parties/organisations which currently constitute Yes Scotland, then you my friend are 'barking'.
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being dragged out of the EU against the wishes of the majority in Scotland
References, please? I see that the UKIP candidate is running No3, above the Lib Dem and Conservative candidate, in the opinion polls in Aberdeen.
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew
That would be the North of England that voted overwhelmingly to reject 2 Jags Prescott's regional assemblies then. Maybe the English just don't see the need for yet another tier of government bureaucracy
That's the one As I said they will find their confidence to articulate their concerns and ambitions for change.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
"the underlying pressure for constitutional change in Scotland."


And who. pay, is going to listen if the country votes NO???

Anyone whining on will be told to go away for another 30-40 years - just like the EU Referendum - it will kill Scottish Nationalism for a generation
Just like Devolution was going to

You don't really follow Scottish politics do you Heathrow
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As I said they will find their confidence to articulate their concerns and ambitions for change.
Hmm obviously missed the nuance of 'overwhelmingly rejected', but then I'm not surprised
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew
Hmm obviously missed the nuance of 'overwhelmingly rejected', but then I'm not surprised
Obviously missed the temporal nuance implicit in "will find". Then again I am surprised. Your ball me old

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References, please? I see that the UKIP candidate is running No3, above the Lib Dem and Conservative candidate, in the opinion polls in Aberdeen.
Far be it for me to speculate, but I think that says more about how the electorate regards the Westminster coalition, than it suggests any prospect of a UKIP breakthrough.

As for "references", these do you? (Only a poll mind you, but then your comment above is based upon similar )

Scotland by far the most pro-EU part of UK

Sky News Poll Reveals Huge Divide On Europe

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Originally Posted by rab-k:7881168
References, please? I see that the UKIP candidate is running No3, above the Lib Dem and Conservative candidate, in the opinion polls in Aberdeen.
Far be it for me to speculate, but I think that says more about how the electorate regards the Westminster coalition, than it suggests any prospect of a UKIP breakthrough.
Totally concur with that. The whole country is becoming increasingly disillusioned with the Westminster administration and I dont think that is just north of the border. Lets face it that is the sole reason that the SNP got in at the last election. Stands to reason other parties such as UKIP will benefit too.
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UKIP

A UKIP candidate in Aberdeen is an amusing concept. How exactly is said person going to justify their anti immigration policy given that half the Baltic states seem to live in town. (And extremely well integrated they are too). Friendly bunch.
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