The One and Only North Korea Thread (merged a few times)
Yes, it does make one wonder why China continues to indulge the regime, given their increasing status on the world stage. Their standing in the West would go up considerably were they to sort out this nasty little anachronism.
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"I would be quite content if China were to invade NK,"
I think the rest of the world would be pleased.
If he carries on any longer, I think you might find
China does give him a hard slap over the head
- or more if he doesn't listen to them.
It wouldn't take much for them to take him out
and have the General's run it.
"I would be quite content if China were to invade NK,"
I think the rest of the world would be pleased.
If he carries on any longer, I think you might find
China does give him a hard slap over the head
- or more if he doesn't listen to them.
It wouldn't take much for them to take him out
and have the General's run it.
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I often used to laugh at the previous dictators armoured train, if his people loved him so much, why did he need an armoured train to travel in?
Trouble is one wonders now if China are in the same quandary as the west, you have a petulant child at the helm, but now he has the capability to use Nuclear weapons, so how do you go about removing that threat.
Trouble is one wonders now if China are in the same quandary as the west, you have a petulant child at the helm, but now he has the capability to use Nuclear weapons, so how do you go about removing that threat.
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The North Koreans have just passed this law on Monday regarding nuclear controls
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/2013...0401-25ee.html
It specifically puts release under the personal control of Kim.
However - there may be a possibility that they just blinked
Look at clause 4
It all depends on what their version of "repel" means. A retaliatory attack only? Or a pre-emptive attack to repel a possible threat?
"calendar>>April 1. 2013 Juch 102
Law on Consolidating Position of Nuclear Weapons State Adopted
Pyongyang, April 1 (KCNA) -- A law on consolidating the position of nuclear weapons state for self-defence was adopted in the DPRK.
An ordinance of the Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK in this regard was promulgated on Monday.
The ordinance said as follows:
The DPRK is a full-fledged nuclear weapons state capable of beating back any aggressor troops at one strike, firmly defending the socialist system and providing a sure guarantee for the happy life of the people.
Having an independent and just nuclear force, the DPRK put an end to the distress-torn history in which it was subject to outside forces' aggression and interference and could emerge a socialist power of Juche which no one dares provoke.
The Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK decides to consolidate the position of the nuclear weapons state as follows:
1. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK are just means for defence as it was compelled to have access to them to cope with the ever-escalating hostile policy of the U.S. and nuclear threat.
2. They serve the purpose of deterring and repelling the aggression and attack of the enemy against the DPRK and dealing deadly retaliatory blows at the strongholds of aggression until the world is denuclearized.
3. The DPRK shall take practical steps to bolster up the nuclear deterrence and nuclear retaliatory strike power both in quality and quantity to cope with the gravity of the escalating danger of the hostile forces' aggression and attack.
4. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK can be used only by a final order of the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army to repel invasion or attack from a hostile nuclear weapons state and make retaliatory strikes.
5. The DPRK shall neither use nukes against the non-nuclear states nor threaten them with those weapons unless they join a hostile nuclear weapons state in its invasion and attack on the DPRK.
6. The DPRK shall strictly observe the rules on safekeeping and management of nukes and ensuring the stability of nuclear tests.
7. The DPRK shall establish a mechanism and order for their safekeeping and management so that nukes and their technology, weapon-grade nuclear substance may not leak out illegally.
8. The DPRK shall cooperate in the international efforts for nuclear non-proliferation and safe management of nuclear substance on the principle of mutual respect and equality, depending on the improvement of relations with hostile nuclear weapons states.
9. The DPRK shall strive hard to defuse the danger of a nuclear war and finally build a world without nukes and fully support the international efforts for nuclear disarmament against nuclear arms race.
10. The related institutions shall take thorough practical steps for implementing this ordinance. "
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/2013...0401-25ee.html
It specifically puts release under the personal control of Kim.
However - there may be a possibility that they just blinked
Look at clause 4
It all depends on what their version of "repel" means. A retaliatory attack only? Or a pre-emptive attack to repel a possible threat?
"calendar>>April 1. 2013 Juch 102
Law on Consolidating Position of Nuclear Weapons State Adopted
Pyongyang, April 1 (KCNA) -- A law on consolidating the position of nuclear weapons state for self-defence was adopted in the DPRK.
An ordinance of the Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK in this regard was promulgated on Monday.
The ordinance said as follows:
The DPRK is a full-fledged nuclear weapons state capable of beating back any aggressor troops at one strike, firmly defending the socialist system and providing a sure guarantee for the happy life of the people.
Having an independent and just nuclear force, the DPRK put an end to the distress-torn history in which it was subject to outside forces' aggression and interference and could emerge a socialist power of Juche which no one dares provoke.
The Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK decides to consolidate the position of the nuclear weapons state as follows:
1. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK are just means for defence as it was compelled to have access to them to cope with the ever-escalating hostile policy of the U.S. and nuclear threat.
2. They serve the purpose of deterring and repelling the aggression and attack of the enemy against the DPRK and dealing deadly retaliatory blows at the strongholds of aggression until the world is denuclearized.
3. The DPRK shall take practical steps to bolster up the nuclear deterrence and nuclear retaliatory strike power both in quality and quantity to cope with the gravity of the escalating danger of the hostile forces' aggression and attack.
4. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK can be used only by a final order of the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army to repel invasion or attack from a hostile nuclear weapons state and make retaliatory strikes.
5. The DPRK shall neither use nukes against the non-nuclear states nor threaten them with those weapons unless they join a hostile nuclear weapons state in its invasion and attack on the DPRK.
6. The DPRK shall strictly observe the rules on safekeeping and management of nukes and ensuring the stability of nuclear tests.
7. The DPRK shall establish a mechanism and order for their safekeeping and management so that nukes and their technology, weapon-grade nuclear substance may not leak out illegally.
8. The DPRK shall cooperate in the international efforts for nuclear non-proliferation and safe management of nuclear substance on the principle of mutual respect and equality, depending on the improvement of relations with hostile nuclear weapons states.
9. The DPRK shall strive hard to defuse the danger of a nuclear war and finally build a world without nukes and fully support the international efforts for nuclear disarmament against nuclear arms race.
10. The related institutions shall take thorough practical steps for implementing this ordinance. "
Just wondering here since my nuclear game board is out-of-date.
I assume that china has lots of citizens as well as advisors in the NK. Obviously they don't want them involved in the young ones tantrums and possible retaliation. So at some critical juncture why wouldn't they just pull them out in a rapid move signaling to the young-one that he is now alone in his playpen.
That move would be seen by at least by the western world as a signal to cool it down as well while waiting for a tactical response from the NK generals to their new loneliness
I assume that china has lots of citizens as well as advisors in the NK. Obviously they don't want them involved in the young ones tantrums and possible retaliation. So at some critical juncture why wouldn't they just pull them out in a rapid move signaling to the young-one that he is now alone in his playpen.
That move would be seen by at least by the western world as a signal to cool it down as well while waiting for a tactical response from the NK generals to their new loneliness
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Kaesong closed.
Kaesong closed.
North Korea said Wednesday it will ban South Korean workers from entering the inter-Korean industrial park in Kaesong, only allowing South Koreans currently staying at the border town to return home
North Korea said Wednesday it will ban South Korean workers from entering the inter-Korean industrial park in Kaesong, only allowing South Koreans currently staying at the border town to return home
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The view from the North
Despite all the rhetoric, it's still calm here in the South and this is the BBC's view from the North
BBC News - Inside North Korea: 'It's a mad, sad and bad place'
BBC News - Inside North Korea: 'It's a mad, sad and bad place'
That might be a reason they don't give him an open slapping or declare their discontent with NK's behaviour. Because it might show they lost control as well.
This whole thing might be part of the settling of the internal power structures in NK and its Gov/Military after the change of the 'Boss'. Probably the wisest reaction is to largely ignore it and at the same time put some friendly pressure on China knowing that even their influence might be limited to some extent at the moment.
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Whenever I see the frequent propaganda pictures of Kim Jong-Un in conversation with a group of NKA senior officers, I am always curious to know whether they are permitted to carry live ammunition.
I suspect that Kim Jong Un could be assassinated by his own army. He is closing all doors to back down from the confrontation, and there must be senior officers in the army who realise that there is no other end-game.
I suspect that Kim Jong Un could be assassinated by his own army. He is closing all doors to back down from the confrontation, and there must be senior officers in the army who realise that there is no other end-game.
One of those tricky ones, TS. He will want armed guards to make sure no one tries to take him out, but does he trust his armed guards? Probably not, so he has guards to guard the guards and everyone must know what horrors awaits anyone that tries it on - for them and their families and anyone else he can think of.
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I am of the same mind. I worry that Kim Jong-Un is placing himself, and North Korea in a situation where there is no where to go, other than war. A problem I see is that, if Kim Jong-Un is deposed, a replacement person may not be much of an improvement as they will be wanting to maintain their level of life, or there will be civil war.
I am of the same mind. I worry that Kim Jong-Un is placing himself, and North Korea in a situation where there is no where to go, other than war. A problem I see is that, if Kim Jong-Un is deposed, a replacement person may not be much of an improvement as they will be wanting to maintain their level of life, or there will be civil war.
how do you go about removing that threat.
One of my ex-'s had a penchant for such fashion and a figure to match (CM may have seen her with me, Coningsby, early '90's). The car matters not a whit as you will have zero desire to go out. 
Besides, she looks better on the back of a superbike.
Besides, she looks better on the back of a superbike.
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