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Old 29th November 2012 | 18:23
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Ejection... Cutting it fine

Large photo of its final moments.

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...aci%C3%B3n.jpg

The trainer was only 4 months old,

The image was taken by Erwin Fuguet Gedde at Maracay-El Libertador airbase, Venezuela, where the Venezuelan Air Force was celebrating its 92 Anniversary with the Día de la Aviación.It depicts a Hongdu K-8 Karakorum (a two-seat intermediate jet trainer and light attack aircraft designed in China) about to crash into the ground near the airport, moments after the two pilots onboard had safely ejected from the doomed jet.

Engine failure and trying to get it back to the field?

Film here, gets interesting about the 1 minute mark, both crew survived but one of the chutes does not appear to fully deploy before he touches down


The Cougar scrambled to rescue the K8 crew also went in but the crew of that survived as well

Plane, Helicopter Crash During Venezuela Air Show | World | RIA Novosti

They also lost a pair of Broncos practicing for the same show sadly killing one of the pilots and injuring 3 a week earlier at the same place..

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Old 29th November 2012 | 18:32
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Impressive stuff, ejecting that low!
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Glad if they survived!
Reminds me of the old (modified) "eject in time" poster....Wimp, Good decision, Unlucky!


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Appear to have and seen reports that they did

ASN Aircraft accident 27-NOV-2012 Hongdu K-8 Karakorum

Bloody good advert for the seats.

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High key, screwed it it up....
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Photographer posted this on Facebook

I took this photo today in the afternoon when Venezuelan Air Force was celebrating its 92 Anniversary. I saw the aircraft flying over the vertical of the airbase in a low flight pass. I guessed that the plane had a mechanical failure and I started to followed with my camera, as soon as the pilots ejected I took the photo.... — with Carlos Bethencourt.

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Intrigued to know whether the actual ejection caused the violent pitch down of the K-8?
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Old 29th November 2012 | 19:46
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It certainly looks that way in the video (2nd Ejection seat firing).
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There's a higher definition still photo here:
Today's Photos, Wednesday - November 28th, 2012 - Page 2
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The RAF poster I saw at Valley said - Lucky, Dead Lucky, Dead

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The trainer was only 4 months old,
That's too young to fly, let alone train someone else!
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Impressive stuff, ejecting that low!
"OK Bloggs, we're in the poo. Don't eject yet. Wait for my call, it'll look dead impressive"
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Intrigued to know whether the actual ejection caused the violent pitch down of the K-8?
Would it be desirable for an a/c to fly on (providing it can) once ejection has taken place e.g. if the pilot points the a/c away from a built-up area prior to ejecting?
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Probably close to the stall when they ejected, and probably why they ejected.
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Good job it did pitch down; if it had glided just a little further the crew would have been caught in the fireball.....

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You still have to go a long way to beat this.
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Did the double ejection cause the aircraft to pitch down? Interesting answers there. Of course it did. Newton's Third Law of Motion.
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"OK Bloggs, we're in the poo. Don't eject yet. Wait for my call, it'll look dead impressive"
Well it was an airshow!
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Old 30th November 2012 | 18:22
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Newton's Third Law of Motion.
It reminds me of the technique for recovering from the stall in the Gloster Javelin. With a delta wing and high tail one could get to a situation where the tailplane was blanked off by the mainplane. If a normal recovery didn't work you ejected the navigator. The recoil of the high powered seat would pitch the nose down and normal flight would be recovered.
That was a case where navigators were really useful.
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Old 30th November 2012 | 18:38
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I trust you told the nav where he was before you punched him out?
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