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Originally Posted by FOG
The six years from wings starts from the date of winging. It runs concurrently with other obligations; i.e. the average time to earn wings from commissioning at that time was four years so his six year obligation would have started June of 1993.
Adams received his Aviator wings in October of 1992
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GreenKnight121,
Air contracts given out were 3 ˝ and 5 ˝ years for the helo and fixed wing pipelines respectively. These obligations were from the early 80s and held for those who commissioned through fiscal year 88. I was a 5 ˝ year type.
Starting in FY 89 the obligations were increased to the 4 and 6 year terms. Those in the commissioning pipelines were given choices. OCS types (no obligation to this point) were allowed to either voluntarily withdraw, choose a different career path in their service or accept the new obligations. The academy and ROTC scholarship types were given the last two options or withdraw and pay back money owed.
More than a few stashed Lt.s who were not happy. Most accepted the new terms, a few checked with lawyers and decided not to fight (paying a civilian lawyer however many $ plus putting yourself how many months back plus…) which makes sense.
Is possible that the officer in question did not sign the new contract at the three stages it was checked (and reported to HQMC)? Possible but not probable as it would take three different units both admin and Ops (who report through different chains) to not do their job plus checks at CNATRA and HQMC.
Even accepting that the new contract was not signed that is 98.
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Air contracts given out were 3 ˝ and 5 ˝ years for the helo and fixed wing pipelines respectively. These obligations were from the early 80s and held for those who commissioned through fiscal year 88. I was a 5 ˝ year type.
Starting in FY 89 the obligations were increased to the 4 and 6 year terms. Those in the commissioning pipelines were given choices. OCS types (no obligation to this point) were allowed to either voluntarily withdraw, choose a different career path in their service or accept the new obligations. The academy and ROTC scholarship types were given the last two options or withdraw and pay back money owed.
More than a few stashed Lt.s who were not happy. Most accepted the new terms, a few checked with lawyers and decided not to fight (paying a civilian lawyer however many $ plus putting yourself how many months back plus…) which makes sense.
Is possible that the officer in question did not sign the new contract at the three stages it was checked (and reported to HQMC)? Possible but not probable as it would take three different units both admin and Ops (who report through different chains) to not do their job plus checks at CNATRA and HQMC.
Even accepting that the new contract was not signed that is 98.
S/F, FOG
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I served during the early 90s and I remember those times as the Navy being severely undermanned and having insane optempo. The RIFs (Reduction in Forces) just prior to the Gulf War gutted Navy manning, especially aviation. Those manning problems were not resolved post Gulf War, yet the Navy had lots of commitments, driving up the optempo. Reservists like me were called up and activated for long periods and even deployed. It was not a happy time.
Ken: Rummy was trying to cut manpower in the Navy, and drastically trying to cut PTR at CNATRA when 9-11 happened, and then that same (censored) decided he might not want to cut PTR when he advocated for the Iraq addendum to the War on Terror. *sigh* The shenanigans never stop.
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Ken,
Just before the Gulf War the Navy was pumping out pilots and was actually offering Marines transfers with regular commissions and immediate start of flight school. We (USMC) had a pretty long wait to start AI. A few took the offer, including an OCS classmate of mine who didn’t get his wings but get to get his Budweiser.
While I was in the pipeline CNATRA wanted, and had, Marine 2ndLt.s as his writer. I had the “honor of being one of those writers. During that time it came to be that USN was over about 700 aviators and had been using funds appropriated for USMC for USN. This resulted in USN students being RIF’d and their progress slowed with USMC studs being pushed through much faster, say less than a year from start of primary to wings.
Ops tempo for USMC fixed wing (except Harriers) from mid to late 90s was quite high. It was not unusual for people to be gone from home over 300 days a year with dets, cross decking, etc.
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Just before the Gulf War the Navy was pumping out pilots and was actually offering Marines transfers with regular commissions and immediate start of flight school. We (USMC) had a pretty long wait to start AI. A few took the offer, including an OCS classmate of mine who didn’t get his wings but get to get his Budweiser.
While I was in the pipeline CNATRA wanted, and had, Marine 2ndLt.s as his writer. I had the “honor of being one of those writers. During that time it came to be that USN was over about 700 aviators and had been using funds appropriated for USMC for USN. This resulted in USN students being RIF’d and their progress slowed with USMC studs being pushed through much faster, say less than a year from start of primary to wings.
Ops tempo for USMC fixed wing (except Harriers) from mid to late 90s was quite high. It was not unusual for people to be gone from home over 300 days a year with dets, cross decking, etc.
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Yeah, I was the beneficiary of that race to refill the over RIFed USN aviation ranks in the late 80s. I was a RIFed P-3 pilot and that race got me an invite to return to TACAIR. (To make a long story short, I was a Scooter driver, had a bad ejection and told I could not fly ejection seat aircraft, transitioned to P-3s, and then got RIFed when the Maritime Patrol mission went away when the Soviet Navy went away. I reminded them of my ejection seat prohibition and they said they had a shiny new airplane called the Hornet that solved my problem and would I like to come back?) I qualed just in time for Desert Shield. Timing is everything.
