From the shores of Annapolis to Pensacola to Highway Patrol
Thread Starter
From the shores of Annapolis to Pensacola to Highway Patrol
Having seen a lot of threads / posts on what do do post military aviation careers in particular over here in UK, however I came across this article years back and what caught my eye was two out of these former Annapolis graduates are aviators. One is a USMC F/A-18 driver and the other USN H-3 Desert Storm veteran (though I don't think they're flying for CHP Air Support??)
Untitled Document
Cheers
Untitled Document
Cheers
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: by the Great Salt Lake, USA
Posts: 1,542
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The condensed version, omitting details of military assignments and their CHP service.
Phelan left the USMC in the summer of 1994, graduated from the 6-month CHP Academy in January of 1995 and was issued Badge #13775.
Adams left the USMC in February 1995, graduated from the 6-month CHP Academy in October 1995, and was issued Badge #14393.
Pagano separated from the Navy in June of 1998, graduated from the 6-month CHP Academy in January of 2000, and was issued Badge #15934. Pagano had the additional distinction of serving as class president.
Tom Phelan, Charlton Adams and Vince Pagano work in different parts of California, but they have three important things in common. They are former military officers, attended and graduated together from the United States (U.S.) Naval Academy (class of 89), and they are currently officers in the California Highway Patrol (CHP).
Tom Phelan was commissioned as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps upon graduation. He chose to become a Combat Engineer Officer with emphasis in light construction, demolition, and minefields. ... Further training included the U.S. Army Airborne School and the U.S. Navy S.C.U.B.A. School. Phelan spent his last tour of duty at Lemoore Naval Air Station in California as the Deputy Security Officer for Operations.
.....
Charlton Adams was commissioned as an officer in the United States Marine Corps upon graduation. After completing The Basic School in Quantico, Virginia, he began flight school in Pensacola, Florida. Adams received his Aviator wings in October of 1992 and was assigned to fly the F/A - 18 Hornet. He was then transferred to Lemoore Naval Air Station in Lemoore, California.
.....
Vince Pagano was commissioned as an officer in the United States Navy upon graduation. He reported to Pensacola, Florida for flight school and received his Aviator wings in November of 1990. Pagano's first assignment was to fly the SH-3H Sea King helicopter from the aircraft carrier USS RANGER. ... Pagano served as Assistant Operations Officer at the North Island Naval Air Station in San Diego.
Tom Phelan was commissioned as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps upon graduation. He chose to become a Combat Engineer Officer with emphasis in light construction, demolition, and minefields. ... Further training included the U.S. Army Airborne School and the U.S. Navy S.C.U.B.A. School. Phelan spent his last tour of duty at Lemoore Naval Air Station in California as the Deputy Security Officer for Operations.
.....
Charlton Adams was commissioned as an officer in the United States Marine Corps upon graduation. After completing The Basic School in Quantico, Virginia, he began flight school in Pensacola, Florida. Adams received his Aviator wings in October of 1992 and was assigned to fly the F/A - 18 Hornet. He was then transferred to Lemoore Naval Air Station in Lemoore, California.
.....
Vince Pagano was commissioned as an officer in the United States Navy upon graduation. He reported to Pensacola, Florida for flight school and received his Aviator wings in November of 1990. Pagano's first assignment was to fly the SH-3H Sea King helicopter from the aircraft carrier USS RANGER. ... Pagano served as Assistant Operations Officer at the North Island Naval Air Station in San Diego.
Adams left the USMC in February 1995, graduated from the 6-month CHP Academy in October 1995, and was issued Badge #14393.
Pagano separated from the Navy in June of 1998, graduated from the 6-month CHP Academy in January of 2000, and was issued Badge #15934. Pagano had the additional distinction of serving as class president.
The three's CHP experiences vary from road patrol, high speed and foot pursuits, arrests and the investigation of traffic accidents - mild to serious. While all three are currently "working the road," future opportunities include motorcycle, canine and equine officer, air operations (fixed wing and helicopter), and SWAT.
Last edited by GreenKnight121; 3rd Nov 2012 at 09:09.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Three years from Wings to outside. The military didn't exactly get their moneys worth there! (With a RAG being about a year of that!)
Incidentally (and not that it matters) but the article doesn't specify whether or not their aviators' wings have one or two anchors. Flight school at Pensacola might indicate two.
Incidentally (and not that it matters) but the article doesn't specify whether or not their aviators' wings have one or two anchors. Flight school at Pensacola might indicate two.
Last edited by orca; 3rd Nov 2012 at 20:23.
Incidentally (and not that it matters) but the article doesn't specify whether or not their aviators' wings have one or two anchors. Flight school at Pensacola might indicate two.
CG
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wherever sent
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Orca,
Minimum contract at that time was 4 years after wings for rotary and 6 years after wings on the fixed wing contract.
These years not necessarily being flying but commissioned service.
It would take something interesting to be able to resign one's commission early.
S/F, FOG
Minimum contract at that time was 4 years after wings for rotary and 6 years after wings on the fixed wing contract.
These years not necessarily being flying but commissioned service.
It would take something interesting to be able to resign one's commission early.
S/F, FOG
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 1,136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Charliegolf,
The only significance is that the thread was started with the assertion that the person in question was a Hornet driver...and I was simply pointing out that this might be incorrect.
The only significance is that the thread was started with the assertion that the person in question was a Hornet driver...and I was simply pointing out that this might be incorrect.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 59
Posts: 4,261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I also noticed the short length of times in.
FOG
Or he possibly trod on his xxxx very early on in his career
and had a meeting, hats on, no tea resulting in him leaving ?
FOG
Or he possibly trod on his xxxx very early on in his career
and had a meeting, hats on, no tea resulting in him leaving ?
Orca,
My interest was in the badge significance- one anchor or two- is it one for RIOs and 2 for Pilots? Or have I fallen for something? Cheers.
CG
My interest was in the badge significance- one anchor or two- is it one for RIOs and 2 for Pilots? Or have I fallen for something? Cheers.
CG
The other possibility (shock horror) of course, is that it just, well, wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I seem to get the shock horror treatment evrywhere I go. I don't like curry!
CG
CG
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Airport in D'Sun
Age: 50
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Yanks make me laugh... I spent longer in the NAAFI queue that these guys did in the US Marines....
Just shows the turnover and inexperience involved inthe US Military. Could this be a factor on the number of Yank Blue on Blue encounters over the last few yrs?
Just shows the turnover and inexperience involved inthe US Military. Could this be a factor on the number of Yank Blue on Blue encounters over the last few yrs?
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wherever sent
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
500N,
I'd bet a bottle of 18 year old Scotch it was something along those lines. Just nothing that would be along the lines of a Court Martial, etc.
S/F, FOG
I'd bet a bottle of 18 year old Scotch it was something along those lines. Just nothing that would be along the lines of a Court Martial, etc.
S/F, FOG
Last edited by FOG; 6th Nov 2012 at 23:53.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 59
Posts: 4,261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Was just basing it on what happens to the odd person in Australia
- my main experience was with SF, not pilots but it's all the same
- cost heaps to train but if unsafe or tread on dick and the whole
thing can be sorted out quietly, then it is, regardless of ROS.
Sometimes better off out than causing problems elsewhere
in the system, even if it is just a desk job.
- my main experience was with SF, not pilots but it's all the same
- cost heaps to train but if unsafe or tread on dick and the whole
thing can be sorted out quietly, then it is, regardless of ROS.
Sometimes better off out than causing problems elsewhere
in the system, even if it is just a desk job.
There was a Harrier guy in one of the Gutersloh squadrons, early 80s, who walked into his boss and chucked it in. He explained that he felt on the edge, at full capacity every time he flew; and was an accident waiting to happen.
He was 'qualified' and accepted on the squadron- they accepted his position without question, I believe. Most felt his honesty commendable. (I don't he joined the 'black rats' mind!)
Possibly similar?
CG
He was 'qualified' and accepted on the squadron- they accepted his position without question, I believe. Most felt his honesty commendable. (I don't he joined the 'black rats' mind!)
Possibly similar?
CG
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: by the Great Salt Lake, USA
Posts: 1,542
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Note that he graduated the Naval Academy (and was commissioned) in the first half of 1989... and left the USMC in the first half of 1995.
That's 6 years on active duty, so the only issue would be his flying status.
As I have known a number of aircrew whose medical clearance was pulled through no fault of his own, I find it highly insulting to the Corps that the first thing you Brits seem capable of considering is bad conduct or some nefarious side-deal... with "down-checking yourself" as the only other option mentioned.
I spent 6+ years fixing the things, and most of the pilots who left early were due to medical issues that developed after they were with the squadron... from one who developed "bends" at altitude to the one who suffered a detached retina during high-G maneuvering to recurrent virtigo and other unexpected problems.
That's 6 years on active duty, so the only issue would be his flying status.
As I have known a number of aircrew whose medical clearance was pulled through no fault of his own, I find it highly insulting to the Corps that the first thing you Brits seem capable of considering is bad conduct or some nefarious side-deal... with "down-checking yourself" as the only other option mentioned.
I spent 6+ years fixing the things, and most of the pilots who left early were due to medical issues that developed after they were with the squadron... from one who developed "bends" at altitude to the one who suffered a detached retina during high-G maneuvering to recurrent virtigo and other unexpected problems.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wherever sent
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
GreenKnight121,
I was an active duty Marine for 30 years and was medically retired. I have over 2,800 hours of FMF instructor time in the FMF and more than a passing familiarity with the USMC fixed wing communities and officer corps.
The six years from wings starts from the date of winging. It runs concurrently with other obligations; i.e. the average time to earn wings from commissioning at that time was four years so his six year obligation would have started June of 1993.
On the medical side recurrent vertigo back injuries would have, and in all cases I am familiar with, results in a MOS change if the officer was physically capable of service. In cases where the pilot was bottom line not up to flying in the FMF again a MOS change.
A serious medical problem such as detached retina would preclude the physical requirements of being a cop.
I intimately familiar with cases where an officer stepped all over his d*** with golf spikes and was allowed to resign for the good of the service and other reasons being given, the most (in)famous being a general officer.
For the record I am not a Brit.
S/F FOG
I was an active duty Marine for 30 years and was medically retired. I have over 2,800 hours of FMF instructor time in the FMF and more than a passing familiarity with the USMC fixed wing communities and officer corps.
The six years from wings starts from the date of winging. It runs concurrently with other obligations; i.e. the average time to earn wings from commissioning at that time was four years so his six year obligation would have started June of 1993.
On the medical side recurrent vertigo back injuries would have, and in all cases I am familiar with, results in a MOS change if the officer was physically capable of service. In cases where the pilot was bottom line not up to flying in the FMF again a MOS change.
A serious medical problem such as detached retina would preclude the physical requirements of being a cop.
I intimately familiar with cases where an officer stepped all over his d*** with golf spikes and was allowed to resign for the good of the service and other reasons being given, the most (in)famous being a general officer.
For the record I am not a Brit.
S/F FOG