Poor guys, never stood a chance
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I do feel sorry for those poor guys that died in that helicopter. They died in horrific circumstances doing a job that they were told to do. They had mothers, fathers and probably wives, daughters and sons. I am sure that if somebody had told them 3 years ago that they would die bombing people in their own country, they would never have believed them.
When I read some of the comments here it makes me realise that humanity really has not got a chance.
Subtle brainwashing, Political Correctness and media distortion of the truth has confused so many people. They really have no idea what is good or what is bad, what is right and what is wrong. They do not know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
They forget history very quickly (if they ever knew it in the first place??). Just look at the very recent history of the Middle East and who has been good or bad in the last 20 years.
When a story first breaks and it is not clear which way it will go people are silent and hesitant to comment, yet when they think they know what is happening (because they have read the newspapers or watched the news) they are quick to comment and quick to judge. It makes them feel important and superior over those that have yet not commented. And so it goes on along the chain.
Very few people of the masses actually have their own opinions, they merely respond to others who happen to be in positions of influence.
But what really frightens me is people’s reluctance to question anything that might be interpreted as being politically incorrect. The word “pathetic and weak” springs to mind, but even worse it will only ultimately end in tears for the whole of humanity.
When I read some of the comments here it makes me realise that humanity really has not got a chance.
Subtle brainwashing, Political Correctness and media distortion of the truth has confused so many people. They really have no idea what is good or what is bad, what is right and what is wrong. They do not know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
They forget history very quickly (if they ever knew it in the first place??). Just look at the very recent history of the Middle East and who has been good or bad in the last 20 years.
When a story first breaks and it is not clear which way it will go people are silent and hesitant to comment, yet when they think they know what is happening (because they have read the newspapers or watched the news) they are quick to comment and quick to judge. It makes them feel important and superior over those that have yet not commented. And so it goes on along the chain.
Very few people of the masses actually have their own opinions, they merely respond to others who happen to be in positions of influence.
But what really frightens me is people’s reluctance to question anything that might be interpreted as being politically incorrect. The word “pathetic and weak” springs to mind, but even worse it will only ultimately end in tears for the whole of humanity.
You reckon the shooters and shootee's are all of the Muslim Faith for a starter?
They are butchering each other in typical Muslim fashion.....and just what is new and unique about that?
That they praise Allah for their success should come as no surprise to anyone knowing the general mindset of that part of the World.
They are butchering each other in typical Muslim fashion.....and just what is new and unique about that?
That they praise Allah for their success should come as no surprise to anyone knowing the general mindset of that part of the World.
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I must be in there with the others as it is blindingly obvious to me that it is the Islamic world that is doing most of the shooting, as well as bombing, beheading and laying IEDs.
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I'm not supposed to say this (since it is politically incorrect to do so) but absolutely bloody spot on fella!
More and more these days it seems religion is used as an excuse to kill and be killed. At the end of the day these people (and I don't speak just of Muslims) base their lives and values on a very elaborate story book. Maybe I should start killing people who accuse Frodo of being effeminate. Lord of the Rings is my Bible and I take it very seriously!
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More and more these days it seems religion is used as an excuse to kill and be killed. At the end of the day these people (and I don't speak just of Muslims) base their lives and values on a very elaborate story book. Maybe I should start killing people who accuse Frodo of being effeminate. Lord of the Rings is my Bible and I take it very seriously!
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All,
I do apologise, but having thought about this really hard I have decided to delete my earlier post. I still believe that there is an element of truth in it, but I also believe that the post has the potential to cause offence to some and even possibly affect the good name of PPRuNe; and I would not want that to happen. Therefore I have removed it.
Bob V, thanks for your comment and apologies that my post is now removed.
I do apologise, but having thought about this really hard I have decided to delete my earlier post. I still believe that there is an element of truth in it, but I also believe that the post has the potential to cause offence to some and even possibly affect the good name of PPRuNe; and I would not want that to happen. Therefore I have removed it.
Bob V, thanks for your comment and apologies that my post is now removed.
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Thanks,
I know it is so true and I am pretty certain my post would not have resulted in a riot or terrorist attack in my little town in South Wales, but after a bit of thought I was worried it might have led to a negative response to PPRuNe; and that would not be fair to the people that run the website or it members.
I might be over reacting, but with this subject you just never know!!
Thanks,
I know it is so true and I am pretty certain my post would not have resulted in a riot or terrorist attack in my little town in South Wales, but after a bit of thought I was worried it might have led to a negative response to PPRuNe; and that would not be fair to the people that run the website or it members.
I might be over reacting, but with this subject you just never know!!
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Don't they know smoking can seriously damage your health.
Check for giant footprints in amongst your roses, you will know there then onto you.
Now you've done it. There is a Hobbit sized Jihad being instigated as we speak. I hope you're happy with yourself.
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Could that explosion have been caused by one of the improvised explosive devices exploding prematurely in the aircraft?
I used to get REALLY angry with the way some Americans lauded the IRA and even held large charity shows to raise money for these killers and whilst you talk about Al Qaeda or any other terrorist organisations then spare a thought for those mutilated with an electric drill by the IRA who a significant number of Americans have hero worshipped...... Terrorists are terrorists.
I can understand fellow aviators expressing their sympathies when watching the last minutes of a fellow human being but I guess this is a civil war and I simply ask, 'Who are the good guys?'
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Killing islamists. Have no problem with that personally.
Anyone remember this?
I certainly do.
I can also remember seeing graphic videos of what AQ did to chechens loyal to russia and news articles of them having drilled holes in prisoners heads in Iraq.
Quite frankly, a bit of TNT on a parachute pales into insignificance really doesnt it?
Anyone remember this?
I certainly do.
I can also remember seeing graphic videos of what AQ did to chechens loyal to russia and news articles of them having drilled holes in prisoners heads in Iraq.
Quite frankly, a bit of TNT on a parachute pales into insignificance really doesnt it?
I can understand fellow aviators expressing their sympathies when watching the last minutes of a fellow human being but I guess this is a civil war and I simply ask, 'Who are the good guys?'
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Irrespective of whom,what ,when, where, anyone joining the military should be aware:- You are paid to take orders from the heirarchy above you, no ifs ands or buts... kill or be killed, that's the objective of your employment -group.
It's non-negotiable, Military = obay orders to kill whoever your superiors dictate..........if you didn't think that one through before you signed up for the glamour/excitement/prestige/travel/cush number...or one of the myriad of other excuses I've hearrrr fo joining a killing-machine.....no sympathy, tough cheddar.
It's non-negotiable, Military = obay orders to kill whoever your superiors dictate..........if you didn't think that one through before you signed up for the glamour/excitement/prestige/travel/cush number...or one of the myriad of other excuses I've hearrrr fo joining a killing-machine.....no sympathy, tough cheddar.
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I love the way everybody thinks the FSA are great and aren't a bunch of islamist terrorists in the making (or made)
Some of the FSA videos online are little better than the ****e AQ put out.
Some of the FSA videos online are little better than the ****e AQ put out.
U.S.: Al Qaeda, other extremists aiding Syrian rebels | WashingtonExaminer.com
Al Qaeda and other extremist groups have increased their presence in Syria in recent months to aid rebels trying to overthrow that country's government and solidify their standing in the region, senior analysts and U.S. officials said.
The organizations' ultimate goal is to create an Islamist state once Syrian President Bashar Assad is deposed, said Ed Husain, senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations
The organizations' ultimate goal is to create an Islamist state once Syrian President Bashar Assad is deposed, said Ed Husain, senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations
Zawahiri’s ultimate aim of creating a theocratic Islamist order in the Arab world has for many years rested on two foundations: creating a safe-haven for fighters in the Arab world and winning the support of the Arab masses. The 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq provided al Qaeda with an unprecedented opportunity, but the barbaric sectarian-driven attacks of al Qaeda in Mesopotamia under the leadership of Musab al Zarqawi led to a rapid erosion of support on the Arab street.
Syria may offer al Qaeda a second chance - an opportunity to regain support across the Arab world by portraying itself as the defender of Sunnis against a merciless Alawite regime. But it has to be careful not to be perceived as trying to co-opt or impose itself on the uprising. That was its mistake in Iraq. The growing sectarian complexion of Syria’s violence may portend the fracturing of a state long held together by repression and an ubiquitous security service, providing al Qaeda with the opportunity to thrive amid a meltdown of authority – and taking it right up to Israel’s border.
"Establish a state that defends the Muslim countries, seeks to free the Golan, and continues Jihad until the flag of victory is raised above the usurped hills of al-Quds [mosque in Jerusalem]," Zawahiri urged jihadists fighting in Syria in February 2012.
[...]
Noman Benotman, a former Libyan Jihadist now with the Quilliam Foundation in London, has been closely tracking Jihadists in Syria. He told CNN that al Nusra probably has several hundred mostly Syrian fighters, has developed a presence across Syria, and has emerged as one of the most effective groups in waging urban warfare.
Syria may offer al Qaeda a second chance - an opportunity to regain support across the Arab world by portraying itself as the defender of Sunnis against a merciless Alawite regime. But it has to be careful not to be perceived as trying to co-opt or impose itself on the uprising. That was its mistake in Iraq. The growing sectarian complexion of Syria’s violence may portend the fracturing of a state long held together by repression and an ubiquitous security service, providing al Qaeda with the opportunity to thrive amid a meltdown of authority – and taking it right up to Israel’s border.
"Establish a state that defends the Muslim countries, seeks to free the Golan, and continues Jihad until the flag of victory is raised above the usurped hills of al-Quds [mosque in Jerusalem]," Zawahiri urged jihadists fighting in Syria in February 2012.
[...]
Noman Benotman, a former Libyan Jihadist now with the Quilliam Foundation in London, has been closely tracking Jihadists in Syria. He told CNN that al Nusra probably has several hundred mostly Syrian fighters, has developed a presence across Syria, and has emerged as one of the most effective groups in waging urban warfare.
The Syrian rebels would be immeasurably weaker today without al-Qaeda in their ranks.
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In Syria, al-Qaeda's foot soldiers call themselves Jabhat al-Nusrah li-Ahli al-Sham (Front for the Protection of the Levantine People). The group's strength and acceptance by the FSA are demonstrated by their increasing activity on the ground (BBC)--from seven attacks in March to sixty-six "operations" in June. In particular, the Jabhat has helped take the fight to Syria's two largest cities: the capital of Damascus, where 54 percent of its activities have been, and Aleppo. Indeed, al-Qaeda could become the most effective fighting force in Syria if defections from the FSA to the Jabhat persist and the ranks of foreign fighters (Guardian) continue to swell.
Al-Qaeda is not sacrificing its "martyrs" in Syria merely to overthrow Assad. Liberation of the Syrian people is a bonus, but the main aim is to create an Islamist state in all or part of the country. Failing that, they hope to at least establish a strategic base for the organization's remnants across the border in Iraq, and create a regional headquarters where mujahideen can enjoy a safe haven. If al-Qaeda continues to play an increasingly important role in the rebellion, then a post-Assad government will be indebted to the tribes and regions allied to the Jabhat. Failing to honor the Jabhat's future requests, assuming Assad falls, could see a continuation of conflict in Syria.
[...]
In Syria, al-Qaeda's foot soldiers call themselves Jabhat al-Nusrah li-Ahli al-Sham (Front for the Protection of the Levantine People). The group's strength and acceptance by the FSA are demonstrated by their increasing activity on the ground (BBC)--from seven attacks in March to sixty-six "operations" in June. In particular, the Jabhat has helped take the fight to Syria's two largest cities: the capital of Damascus, where 54 percent of its activities have been, and Aleppo. Indeed, al-Qaeda could become the most effective fighting force in Syria if defections from the FSA to the Jabhat persist and the ranks of foreign fighters (Guardian) continue to swell.
Al-Qaeda is not sacrificing its "martyrs" in Syria merely to overthrow Assad. Liberation of the Syrian people is a bonus, but the main aim is to create an Islamist state in all or part of the country. Failing that, they hope to at least establish a strategic base for the organization's remnants across the border in Iraq, and create a regional headquarters where mujahideen can enjoy a safe haven. If al-Qaeda continues to play an increasingly important role in the rebellion, then a post-Assad government will be indebted to the tribes and regions allied to the Jabhat. Failing to honor the Jabhat's future requests, assuming Assad falls, could see a continuation of conflict in Syria.
Al Qaeda's Zawahri calls for kidnap of Westerners | Reuters
(Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri has called on Muslims to kidnap Westerners, join Syria's rebellion and to ensure Egypt implements sharia, SITE Monitoring reported on Saturday, citing a two-part film posted on Islamist websites.
The Egypt-born cleric, who became al Qaeda leader last year after the death of Osama bin Laden, spoke in a message that lasted more than two hours.
"We are seeking, by the help of Allah, to capture others and to incite Muslims to capture the citizens of the countries that are fighting Muslims in order to release our captives," he said, praising the kidnapping of Warren Weinstein, a 71-year-old American aid worker in Pakistan last year.
The Egypt-born cleric, who became al Qaeda leader last year after the death of Osama bin Laden, spoke in a message that lasted more than two hours.
"We are seeking, by the help of Allah, to capture others and to incite Muslims to capture the citizens of the countries that are fighting Muslims in order to release our captives," he said, praising the kidnapping of Warren Weinstein, a 71-year-old American aid worker in Pakistan last year.