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There is no excuse for the murder of an unarmed man, who is supposed to be
protected by diplomatic code and protocol, who is on a peaceful mission, and who is a non-combatant. NONE.
protected by diplomatic code and protocol, who is on a peaceful mission, and who is a non-combatant. NONE.
The trouble is that the so-called peace loving, almost
tolerant, but not exactly learned members of the Religion of the Perpetually Outraged are a vile and evil mob who are beyond normal codes of conduct
tolerant, but not exactly learned members of the Religion of the Perpetually Outraged are a vile and evil mob who are beyond normal codes of conduct
It is time for retribution of the most violent kind, and I wait to see if Obama is capable of dealing with this outrage.
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Imagine, if you will, what Europe was like 600 years ago. Practically tribal, mostly feudal, generally ignorant, pretty violent, the population chained to dogmatic religious superstitions. Imagine what it would've been like if they'd had modern weapons?
The current Islamic year is 1433 AH. Discuss.
That is so FUNNY!!!!! I was literally laughing out loud, as I was blown back to high school and university discussions....... Sadly, I donīt think that schools actually do this sort of thing anymore. Too dangerous. I especially liked one instructor who, after the lines were drawn and discussions had raged for a while, instructed the participants to take the opposite view! The first time he did this, I was dumbfounded (maybe he was training us to be politicians?) but it was a fantastic way to defuse the situation, so that the arguments were divorced from personal views and we learned a lot.
After classes, we often continued these discussions....it was called learning and debating....leading to study to shore up arguments, which actually led to a change of mind or a viewpoint with greater understanding.
A bit OT, but thanks for the skip through memory of what in hindsight, were blessed days!
The current Islamic year is 1433 AH. Discuss.
That is so FUNNY!!!!! I was literally laughing out loud, as I was blown back to high school and university discussions....... Sadly, I donīt think that schools actually do this sort of thing anymore. Too dangerous. I especially liked one instructor who, after the lines were drawn and discussions had raged for a while, instructed the participants to take the opposite view! The first time he did this, I was dumbfounded (maybe he was training us to be politicians?) but it was a fantastic way to defuse the situation, so that the arguments were divorced from personal views and we learned a lot.
After classes, we often continued these discussions....it was called learning and debating....leading to study to shore up arguments, which actually led to a change of mind or a viewpoint with greater understanding.
A bit OT, but thanks for the skip through memory of what in hindsight, were blessed days!
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No no no, not at all Shack !
The ones who avoid attending riots like
this but somehow never actually condemn, should probably be excluded !
Those who never actually condemn openly......probably millions.
A bit like last year's UK riots.
How do those millions get the publicity achieved by the rioting hundreds?
I abhor any kind of violence, especially of the kind we are discussing but I ask again of Robert Cooper:
"Against who exactly are you proposing "retribution of the most violent kind"? The civilian populations of all muslim states, anyone who happens to be a muslim or all of the above"?
Would you exclude women and children from your proposed violence? If so, how?
"Against who exactly are you proposing "retribution of the most violent kind"? The civilian populations of all muslim states, anyone who happens to be a muslim or all of the above"?
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Impossible to hold the moral high ground if you join in with the barbarity of
the Barbarians.
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Modified for a generic "martyr":
The dead terrorist makes his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington.
"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping him in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind: "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches the confused Muslim on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says, "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on the man's knee.
The dead terrorist is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe and 65 other 18th-century American revolutionaries. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged.
As he awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams, "This is not what I was promised!"
An angel replies: "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?"
"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping him in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind: "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches the confused Muslim on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says, "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on the man's knee.
The dead terrorist is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe and 65 other 18th-century American revolutionaries. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged.
As he awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams, "This is not what I was promised!"
An angel replies: "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?"
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LIke the ubiquitous B.
Connelly says:-
"72 Virgins, what the **** would I do with 72 feckin Virgins ? Give me three fire-breathing whores any day"
Subtle, but the message is delivered
Connelly says:-
"72 Virgins, what the **** would I do with 72 feckin Virgins ? Give me three fire-breathing whores any day"
Subtle, but the message is delivered
Fair question. Impossible to hold the moral high ground if you join in with the barbarity of the Barbarians.
If you hold the High Ground you decide what is "moral".
This isn't Bean Bag we are playing at here......this is real life and survival of our way of life and belief structure if you care to check it.
We have real enemies out there that seek our destruction.....like it or not we have to confront that enemy. If it means using violence then that is how it goes. So far....polite talk hasn't seemed to win them over to reason and logic.
I will bet somewhere in the wonderful Quran there is a passage that says something about living by the sword and all that....knowing what a peaceful and contemplative religion Islam really is.
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The Marines and the FBI are in Libya now, and hopefully an investigation will identify the Al Qaeda instigators of that mob. Those are the ones we need to bring to justice. This mess has spread across the Middle East and now we have three colleges in the US with bomb threats. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check.
The Marines and the FBI are in Libya now, and hopefully an investigation will identify the Al Qaeda instigators of that mob. Those are the ones we need to bring to justice. This mess has spread across the Middle East and now we have three colleges in the US with bomb threats. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check.
Did the US not already try killing 800,000 mostly muslim civilians when they invaded Iraq?
Some spurious reason about non-existent WMD seems about on a par with a youtube movie.
Doesn't seem to have been terribly successful.
We have got another 25 years of unintended consequences I reckon - thanks a bundle George & Tony.
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Some spurious reason about non-existent WMD seems about on a par with a youtube movie.
Doesn't seem to have been terribly successful.
We have got another 25 years of unintended consequences I reckon - thanks a bundle George & Tony.
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Mideast riots: Who's behind the anti-Islam video? - The Week
The more I read about this, the more the conspiracy theorist in me comes out!
The more I read about this, the more the conspiracy theorist in me comes out!
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Our ancestral diplomats understood this; I should think our current ones do too, but our politicians are no longer listening. People much prefer to be ruled by their own dictator rather than a foreign government of any hue. And even where they don't, they are too busy fighting their own government rather than ours.
No wonder Saddam was so surprised by Dubya's determination to remove him. I expect Bashir is shaking his head too.
This isn't to defend said dictators; but we should wash our hands of them rather than trying to remove them.
Which brings us back to oil independence.
No wonder Saddam was so surprised by Dubya's determination to remove him. I expect Bashir is shaking his head too.
This isn't to defend said dictators; but we should wash our hands of them rather than trying to remove them.
Which brings us back to oil independence.
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America and Canada have heaps of Oil, Shale oil and other fields
but the western countries are hindered by Greeny legislation that
stops them from getting at it and decisions are forever being put off
- oil pipeline in the US as an example.
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but the western countries are hindered by Greeny legislation that
stops them from getting at it and decisions are forever being put off
- oil pipeline in the US as an example.
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So the masses (including the Greenies) buy T-shirts made in Pakistani factories where 283 burn to death because cheaper means no safety exits. And talk on iPhones made in Chinese factories where worker suicide is the most common way of 'resigning'. Trainers, Bangladeshi children, etc, etc.
These people never ask themselves "Why the f#ck do you think they're so cheap?"
These people never ask themselves "Why the f#ck do you think they're so cheap?"
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Some ask, at dinners parties with their friends etc after a few bottles of wine. Few do anything, and those who do are dismissed as loony lefties. Maybe they are: maybe exploitation is just part of the human condition. Altruism among animals suggests not, to me.
Anyway, back on topic: woe betide anyone who acts barbarically towards us, for we shall do the same back, but more so, to prove how uncivilized they are!
Anyway, back on topic: woe betide anyone who acts barbarically towards us, for we shall do the same back, but more so, to prove how uncivilized they are!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
ORAC: I know where I'd start looking, at least as agitators and paymasters if not participants - The Quds Force and here's why. Could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
racedo:
ORAC, With all due, QUDS and Al Q are fundamentally opposed. AL Q hate the Shia version of Islam more than Christianity.
ORAC, With all due, QUDS and Al Q are fundamentally opposed. AL Q hate the Shia version of Islam more than Christianity.
Sunni Hamas and Shiite Iran Form a Common Political Theology
Iran and the "War on Terror"