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The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

Old 5th Jun 2022, 15:22
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Chinese AF paying silly games with a RAAF P-8.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-61696973

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They ran into a US P-3 some years back. I guess they like to play Chicken.
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 01:11
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Totally hypocritical, if we did that to one of theirs they would be screaming "Act of war!"
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 02:28
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
They ran into a US P-3 some years back. I guess they like to play Chicken.
And complained that their ace pilot of the J-8 was taken down and died by the perfidious aggressive EP-3E
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 03:26
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Totally hypocritical, if we did that to one of theirs they would be screaming "Act of war!"
They're poking a Bear, any Bear, & dying for an excuse to kick things off.
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 07:14
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
Totally hypocritical, if we did that to one of theirs they would be screaming "Act of war!"
XitJumping wants a war - and he's trying his best to start one with anybody.
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Load Toad
XitJumping wants a war - and he's trying his best to start one with anybody.
Disagree entirely, Xi wants to show ongoing progress in China's emergence as the premier nation..
So pushing the envelope around the South Pacific is ideal, plus it ties in nicely with the ongoing efforts to bring the Pacific island nations into Beijing's sphere.
The Chinese wrote the book on warfare, but noted that it was best to win without fighting.
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 03:46
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Another slice of salami:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/ch...07-p5arm8.html
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Couple of articles in the Economist this week about the need for Taiwan to adopt the strategy promulgated there about 15 years ago of a lot more "small" weapons (as in Ukraine) and fewer big ticket items from the USA
Thatís the advice given to them by the US military.
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 08:06
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But SO's just LOVE the big ticket items.............
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 12:21
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Originally Posted by tartare
The Chinese play the long game. I wonder how Viet Nam feels about this. Probably not good.
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 23:06
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So do the Vietnamese. They also have the runs on the board when it comes to fighting the Chinese. When well led they are formidable.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 02:08
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In the maritime & air domain over the SCS, the Vietnamese arenít keeping up with the CCP. Perhaps their half dozen Russian submarines useful though not much else. Last skirmish with a China was in the SCS and the Vietnamese came off second place : Johnson South Reef Skirmish

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Old 8th Jun 2022, 14:05
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While a grain or two of sea salt is needed, there's an interesting article on Covert Shores from Naval News about the Zumwalt Class DDG and the proposed installation of hypersonic missiles.
(Obviously not a current capability, there's currently a 155mm gun mount there).
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...ew-capability/

What got my interest was not the "hypersonic ballistic missiles" bit, vis a vis US and China getting their arms race on, but the location of the VLS launchers.
They are {depicted} in banks along the sides, and the rear ones are adjacent to the Flight Deck!

Click on the picture and expand it. There might be a need for a FOD walkdown after a missile launch.
Pro Tip for the future COs of the Zumwalt class DD's: Don't launch those when your helicopter is turning up or shutting down.

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Old 8th Jun 2022, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
But SO's just LOVE the big ticket items.............
Just the opposite. There’s a difference between the military and the defense contractors.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 23:10
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The US Navy is still trying to decide what to do with these three ships, as the main gun armament was too expensive to shoot.
Any redo will cost additional billions, but the hull is apparently quite successful, so there is talk of using it for the successor to the DDG 963 class.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 17:07
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Originally Posted by etudiant
The US Navy is still trying to decide what to do with these three ships, as the main gun armament was too expensive to shoot.
EDIT: correction, it looks like they are going to remove the guns. (face palm)
Any redo will cost additional billions, but the hull is apparently quite successful, so there is talk of using it for the successor to the DDG 963 class.
The Arleigh Burke class DDG has already replace the Spruance class. There were 30 Spruance class destroyers. (I served in a few of them). There are 3 Zumwalt class DDGs.
Are you, perchance, referring to the four Sprucans that were reclassified as the Kidd class , the ones that had Surface to Air missile launchers? (Kidd, Scott, Callaghan, Chandler) They now serve in the Navy of Taiwan.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
EDIT: correction, it looks like they are going to remove the guns. (face palm)

The Arleigh Burke class DDG has already replace the Spruance class. There were 30 Spruance class destroyers. (I served in a few of them). There are 3 Zumwalt class DDGs.
Are you, perchance, referring to the four Sprucans that I';were reclassified as the Kidd class , the ones that had Surface to Air missile launchers? (Kidd, Scott, Callaghan, Chandler) They now serve in the Navy of Taiwan.
Was not the Burke hull the same as the Spruances? I'd thought that they just stuffed in everything they could. That is why the Zumwalt hull looks so appealing, it has a lot more growth potential.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Was not the Burke hull the same as the Spruances?
No, but the CG-47 Ticonderoga class were. (I served in a few of those as well).
Burke was a 'clean sheet' design, and it included lessons learned (more steel in the superstructure) from the Falklands War, also has CIC in a more protected part of the ship. (Spru Cans and Ticos have a CIC a bit higher above the main deck).
I'd thought that they just stuffed in everything they could. That is why the Zumwalt hull looks so appealing, it has a lot more growth potential.
Yeah, that was the impression that I got as that program stumbled through its various hurdles.
Someone in Congress observed that the Zumwalt class was an example of what's wrong with our acquisition process. I found it hard to disagree with that assessment.
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Old 12th Jun 2022, 14:26
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An extended article about 'drone swarms' thanks to a FOIA request being fulfilled. (It's The Drive, but they have based it on the documents furnished by the USN).
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-new-documents

Drone warfare has been a topic of much study by the USN for well over a decade. I'd expect it to feature heavily in anything that crops up in the South China Sea.
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