Iran Air 655 Incident- ACI last night.
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Yep.
Drummer Liam Watts and bass player Andy Hopkins originate from Coventry, while frontman and multi-instrumentalist Tom Clarke is originally from Birmingham. Clarke and Hopkins attended Finham Park Secondary School in the city, while Watts studied at Cardinal Newman secondary school.
The Enemy met their original manager, John Dawkins, because Watts' aunt worked with one of Dawkins' family members. Dawkins asked producer Matt Terry to do him a favor and give the band cheap studio time. Terry then produced their first set of three songs: 'Heart Attack', 'Had Enough' and '40 Days and 40 Nights'. Dawkins then forwarded the demos to David Bianchi at A&R Warner.
In 2006 the band were the opening act at Coventry's Godiva Festival, an event they would play for the next 2 years, making their way to the headline slot.
Drummer Liam Watts and bass player Andy Hopkins originate from Coventry, while frontman and multi-instrumentalist Tom Clarke is originally from Birmingham. Clarke and Hopkins attended Finham Park Secondary School in the city, while Watts studied at Cardinal Newman secondary school.
The Enemy met their original manager, John Dawkins, because Watts' aunt worked with one of Dawkins' family members. Dawkins asked producer Matt Terry to do him a favor and give the band cheap studio time. Terry then produced their first set of three songs: 'Heart Attack', 'Had Enough' and '40 Days and 40 Nights'. Dawkins then forwarded the demos to David Bianchi at A&R Warner.
In 2006 the band were the opening act at Coventry's Godiva Festival, an event they would play for the next 2 years, making their way to the headline slot.
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500N, well it would explain why they can't find the wreckage. The timing seems about right for when the Captain got retired instead of making Admiral.
And, it fits with the Revered Timothy wanting to hush up the old guy's military service in case any more pipe bombs, or agent orange, come along.
And, it fits with the Revered Timothy wanting to hush up the old guy's military service in case any more pipe bombs, or agent orange, come along.
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What a small world, there's a Cardinal Newman High School near to one of our navex turning points and as it is such a big 45degree slab sided building, more or less south west facing, to catch the sunlight, it is unmistakeable.
I was in Coventry recently, at a bacon processing plant, where they put Pigs in Pokes, as it were.
I was in Coventry recently, at a bacon processing plant, where they put Pigs in Pokes, as it were.
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Something else that needs pointing out
He keeps spouting that the Vincennes was in iranian territorial water - well it would have to be either in Iranian or Omani
To quote from Wikidepedia (yes I know....)
"As the Strait of Hormuz at its narrowest is just 21 nautical miles (39 km) wide, in order to traverse the strait ships must stay within sea lanes that pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of customary Law of the Sea. It is therefore normal for ships, including warships, entering or leaving the Persian Gulf to transit Iranian territorial waters"
So its not as if the Vincennes being there was ana ct of territorial aggressions: it was no different from the Russkies transiting the English Channel with their carrier.
Where it WAS different was that at the time there was a shooting match going on with a bunch of Iranian speedboats. The Iranian authorities must have known this, yet they allowed a civilian aircraft to overfly a live firing zone. Life is cheap in Iran. it wouldn't surprise me at all if they deliberately risked the loss of the aircraft in an attempt to gain international sympathy.
As I said before on another thread, I'm convinced from what I witnessed of their chemical supply route that they were gassing their own people to gain sympathy, it wouldn't surprise me if a aircraft full of people were equally regarded as disposable, just to gain a political point.
He keeps spouting that the Vincennes was in iranian territorial water - well it would have to be either in Iranian or Omani
To quote from Wikidepedia (yes I know....)
"As the Strait of Hormuz at its narrowest is just 21 nautical miles (39 km) wide, in order to traverse the strait ships must stay within sea lanes that pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of customary Law of the Sea. It is therefore normal for ships, including warships, entering or leaving the Persian Gulf to transit Iranian territorial waters"
So its not as if the Vincennes being there was ana ct of territorial aggressions: it was no different from the Russkies transiting the English Channel with their carrier.
Where it WAS different was that at the time there was a shooting match going on with a bunch of Iranian speedboats. The Iranian authorities must have known this, yet they allowed a civilian aircraft to overfly a live firing zone. Life is cheap in Iran. it wouldn't surprise me at all if they deliberately risked the loss of the aircraft in an attempt to gain international sympathy.
As I said before on another thread, I'm convinced from what I witnessed of their chemical supply route that they were gassing their own people to gain sympathy, it wouldn't surprise me if a aircraft full of people were equally regarded as disposable, just to gain a political point.
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Jakey,
What I want you to do is picture your 10 closet family members/ friends.
Now, picture you are somewhere out in the countryside shooting birds, or clay pigeons. So you have a loaded weapon, ok?!
Now, in the distance you see a group of guys walking directly towards your party. They are obviously not part of your social circle. Just think of it that you are wearing tweed with pink shirts with a few labradors and they are in scruffy jeans, dishevelled, long hair.
So these guys are walking towards you for no apparent reason and they don't look really friendly. So as these guys keep walking towards you, you and your group will obviously be getting a bit concerned.
As they get closer you realise that they all are carrying guns. At no point have they waved or called out to you. They just keep walking, menacing in your mind, towards your sacred lil group of friends and family.
They are now about 20m from you and you and your group are getting really nervous, I mean who wouldn't be. These guys don't look friendly, they are armed and they are don't look like they want to talk about the canapés you are having for lunch.
So they are 20m away when all of a sudden the guy in the front raises his shotgun towards you and your lil group.
Now, you can either sit there and do nothing and hope he doesn't shoot and your lil group or you can take pre-emptive action and shoot him.
What do you do?
Now: Before you answer, picture in your mind this scenario. Take the time to think of your family and friends.
This is the sort of scenario the Capt of that vessel was going through.
What happens if you shot this guy with the shotgun? It is self defence and you will not be charged in the eyes of the law.
Hang on, what happens if it turns out the gun was a replica or a toy and the guy was playing a prank on you? It is still self defence as you had the HONEST belief that your life or your friends/ families' lives were in mortal danger. Now if you blasted the rest of this group away, and none of the others raised a weapon, then it is disproportionate and it is classed as murder.
This USN Captain had the honest belief his vessel was in mortal danger, rightly or wrongly and he acted on it. It is an act he will replay the rest of his life and regret no doubt. Then again, what if he was right.
As I said before, picture that vessel as a group of your closest friends and family. Oh, and you are in sole charge of that group. It is your responsibility that they come away from the weekend shooting safe and sound, no one else's.
Just food for thought.
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What I want you to do is picture your 10 closet family members/ friends.
Now, picture you are somewhere out in the countryside shooting birds, or clay pigeons. So you have a loaded weapon, ok?!
Now, in the distance you see a group of guys walking directly towards your party. They are obviously not part of your social circle. Just think of it that you are wearing tweed with pink shirts with a few labradors and they are in scruffy jeans, dishevelled, long hair.
So these guys are walking towards you for no apparent reason and they don't look really friendly. So as these guys keep walking towards you, you and your group will obviously be getting a bit concerned.
As they get closer you realise that they all are carrying guns. At no point have they waved or called out to you. They just keep walking, menacing in your mind, towards your sacred lil group of friends and family.
They are now about 20m from you and you and your group are getting really nervous, I mean who wouldn't be. These guys don't look friendly, they are armed and they are don't look like they want to talk about the canapés you are having for lunch.
So they are 20m away when all of a sudden the guy in the front raises his shotgun towards you and your lil group.
Now, you can either sit there and do nothing and hope he doesn't shoot and your lil group or you can take pre-emptive action and shoot him.
What do you do?
Now: Before you answer, picture in your mind this scenario. Take the time to think of your family and friends.
This is the sort of scenario the Capt of that vessel was going through.
What happens if you shot this guy with the shotgun? It is self defence and you will not be charged in the eyes of the law.
Hang on, what happens if it turns out the gun was a replica or a toy and the guy was playing a prank on you? It is still self defence as you had the HONEST belief that your life or your friends/ families' lives were in mortal danger. Now if you blasted the rest of this group away, and none of the others raised a weapon, then it is disproportionate and it is classed as murder.
This USN Captain had the honest belief his vessel was in mortal danger, rightly or wrongly and he acted on it. It is an act he will replay the rest of his life and regret no doubt. Then again, what if he was right.
As I said before, picture that vessel as a group of your closest friends and family. Oh, and you are in sole charge of that group. It is your responsibility that they come away from the weekend shooting safe and sound, no one else's.
Just food for thought.
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Didn't they make Black Pudding in Coventry ?
(I am originally from Birmingham but lived in Shenstone near Litchfield, born where the Spaghetti junction now is !!!)
Re the crash, maybe they hushed it all up because it was on a secret hush hush mission carrying unmentionables ?
Or maybe he could have been another of "The Man who never was" situations ?
What do you think ?
Didn't they make Black Pudding in Coventry ?
(I am originally from Birmingham but lived in Shenstone near Litchfield, born where the Spaghetti junction now is !!!)
Re the crash, maybe they hushed it all up because it was on a secret hush hush mission carrying unmentionables ?
Or maybe he could have been another of "The Man who never was" situations ?
What do you think ?
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"As the Strait of Hormuz at its narrowest is just 21 nautical miles (39 km) wide, in order to traverse the strait ships must stay within sea lanes that pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of customary Law of the Sea. It is therefore normal for ships, including warships, entering or leaving the Persian Gulf to transit Iranian territorial waters""
State the obvious.
He should have known that before he started the argument.
I didn't even bother pointing it out as he would have ignored it.
"As the Strait of Hormuz at its narrowest is just 21 nautical miles (39 km) wide, in order to traverse the strait ships must stay within sea lanes that pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of customary Law of the Sea. It is therefore normal for ships, including warships, entering or leaving the Persian Gulf to transit Iranian territorial waters""
State the obvious.
He should have known that before he started the argument.
I didn't even bother pointing it out as he would have ignored it.
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I'll tell you what I think.... The guy who runs our local Butchers hasn't been winning prizes for as long as we can remember without knowing about making pies and black pudding.
We reckon that because his pies are so good, there must be some kind of secret ingredient that nobody else has in their pies. Probably babies.
We reckon that because his pies are so good, there must be some kind of secret ingredient that nobody else has in their pies. Probably babies.
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I think you ****** up the picture!
Ah, now it all becomes clear. Funny as a funny thing.
Ah, now it all becomes clear. Funny as a funny thing.
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"He should have known that before he started the argument."
Yeah I know I'm stating the obvious, but I fear we are dealing with someone who is either hard-of-thinking, or suffering from willful selective observation
Yeah I know I'm stating the obvious, but I fear we are dealing with someone who is either hard-of-thinking, or suffering from willful selective observation
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Colonel Kluster F%#k is not a good example of an air force officer
People might get the wrong idea !
Milo
"willful selective observation" sums it up well.
Colonel Kluster F%#k is not a good example of an air force officer
People might get the wrong idea !
Milo
"willful selective observation" sums it up well.
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