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best machine the RAF never had

Old 29th Feb 2020, 12:11
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Originally Posted by Bagheera S View Post
Concorde - It was briefly offered as a strategy reconnaissance platform. A squadron would have doubled the production run.


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Old 1st Mar 2020, 18:09
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A million years ago in a galaxy far, far away, when Phoon was still "Eurofighter 2000" and in trouble at many levels, there was a plot to gap-fill A2A with recently modded and lightly used F-16A ADFs - to be followed by co-development of the delta-wing F-16 variant with the diverterless inlet and LO nozzle. It had gas for days and carried all weapons conformally or semi-conformally. BAE Systems were not happy bunnies, the USAF wanted to be all-stealth (how''s that working out for ya?), and the upper Pentagon levels saw it as a threat to the nascent JAST, later JSF. The avionics ended up in the Block 60.


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Old 1st Mar 2020, 21:24
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Most of military aviation history would have been rewritten if the Avro Arrow had continued. Its potential was greater than Lightning, better than the Phantom, and a competitor for TSR2.

Given the basic aircraft, its developments and offshoots could easily have been 'the' aircraft which the RAF didn't have, nor many other airforces, but all wished that they did have the Arrow or its descendants.
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 00:53
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Originally Posted by safetypee View Post
Most of military aviation history would have been rewritten if the Avro Arrow had continued. Its potential was greater than Lightning, better than the Phantom, and a competitor for TSR2.

Given the basic aircraft, its developments and offshoots could easily have been 'the' aircraft which the RAF didn't have, nor many other airforces, but all wished that they did have the Arrow or its descendants.
While the Arrow had a lot of potential, it really needed a more economical engine, better fire control and better armament to achieve the scope posited.
As developed, afaik it was roughly a MiG-25 equivalent, with a 400nm operating radius.
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 08:10
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Bucc with upgraded avionics, & ergonomic cockpit.
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 10:53
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Always with the TSR2...... Am I alone in thinking that the TSR2 looked pretty awful?! Life without the Bucc and the F4 and the Jag and the Fin would have been pretty dull; albeit I'd have opted for F14D over the F3.
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 11:38
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Originally Posted by Maxibon View Post
Always with the TSR2...... Am I alone in thinking that the TSR2 looked pretty awful?! Life without the Bucc and the F4 and the Jag and the Fin would have been pretty dull; albeit I'd have opted for F14D over the F3.
No but i think we are in the minority with the TSR2.
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 12:25
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F-111K....awesome piece of kit
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 13:28
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TSR2 awful? We just never got to see it warpaint.....



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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 13:49
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I have signed copy of that in my den wall

The best ever 'what if'. DM
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 13:54
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I standby what I said! It's like a 'nearly-ran' for Gerry and Sylvia Anderson's Thunderbirds contenders. In all fairness, it's a post-modernist-end-of-the-V-Force styled machine that looks unvelievably dated and square (Jag/Fin dynamics accepted).
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 14:06
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I had a signed copy, it now hangs on my sister’s lounge wall.

She was a teacher and has no interest in aircraft. But my father was an aircraft electrical design engineer and worked on the generator system.

He gave a sigh of relief when it was cancelled. They were pushing the technology of the time to provide enough power fir all the electronics; and very week the avionics engineers were coming back and asking for more...
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 15:44
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Originally Posted by typerated View Post
In a similar vein to : If you could reintroduce into service an upgraded new build of a proven design.

My vote would go for 'best machine the RAF never had' goes to the Viggen.

In the early 70s we could have been buying Viggens in the place of:
Harriers, Jaguars, and perhaps some F4s, while replacing Lightnings.

Looks good in RAF markings I think





Every Jaguar, Lightning and F-4 should've been replaced by F/A-18s more than a generation ago.

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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 15:51
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...But a TSR2 Mk2 with next generation avionics could have been something!

a bit like the Jaguar after NAVWASS...
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 15:53
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...and yes the JA37 Viggen was gorgeous too!
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 16:18
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Must have had severe trim issues when he launched that..
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 18:11
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And raise you......

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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 18:27
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TSR2 awful? We just never got to see it warpaint.....


As mythical as the other green beast below the water (or the camo B-58)!
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 18:43
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Oscar EW-58 Phallus, surely....
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Saunders Roe SR-177
Hawker P-1154
Hawker P-1216
BAC TSR-2
MiL Mi-24 Hind
Tupolev TU-95 Bear ASW & MR
F-14 Tomcat
AVRO 730
AVRO CANADA ARROW
EA-6 Prowler
Though not necessarily in that order, please
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